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[Mailman]

From talking to a few of my RTS pals it seems that 'good' RTS settings appear hugely dependent on the hardware you use (particular the monitor size and its associated resolution).  Having undergone the change from Pro to Tour Pro at RTS Mouse life is a struggle for me ATM as some may have seen from my recent OGT results (gone from -7 at Pro to -1 at TP with more to come next week).  I can only marvel at how the good RTS players are able to hit anything above 50% FW and above 50% GIR especially at Tour Pro.

 

My biggest issue at TP remains one of inconsistency - basically I do not know which side I am going to get of the 0.25 ratio so it is pointless me playing for a particular shape of shot.  Woods are bad enough but the medium irons are often worse.

 

So my current settings: 1920x1200 24" monitor - in-game mouse sensitivities both at 2.50 , Razer settings x-300 y-1500.  Windows pointer speed in the neutral position.  No mouse acceleration.

 

I have tried at 4.00 both settings but swing feels way too sloooow.

 

Any thoughts?

 

 

[SimChars1968]

Hi Mailman

I play RTSM at Pro, have tried at TP, but it is quite brutal! I always think the important thing is to try to swing for power 90-95%. Overswinging at TP is just a no-no.

As for settings, I think you have to find a setting on your hardware you are comfortable with. If I am struggling I make changes, but I always go back to my normal settings. Also keep thinking tempo.

Cheers. 

[JoeF]

Here's something to try.  Set your Windows pointer speed one click to the left of neutral and see how that feels.  RTS is about finding your own swing through adjusting pointer speed and sensitivity settings until you find the balance that best suits you.  Then it is about practicing until you start getting "muscle memory" of the feel of a good tempo.

 

Tour Pro is difficult.  It requires focused concentration on each and every swing.  Though others have felt the nomenclature should be changed my feeling is that it  truly indicates the skill required to play at that level.  You have to be as good as an IRL tour pro to play well at this level.

 

 

[Charles]

I've checked TP out some time ago. The level of precision is so high, i felt like a total beginner at first going all over the place. I was really surprised, as I did not have that extreme experience going from Amateur to Pro. I agree with Simon regarding the tempo. That is a biggy, as is not going maximum on the backswing. In TP everything is hyper sensitive and the slightest deviation is a killer. After a couple of hours i decided enough of this. I could not handle this level. I just gave up. The few players who do manage it: big kudos! If I was you mailman, stay at Pro @ RTCC!

[JoeBradley]

I average under 55% fairways, just over 60% GIR I think, but have a stroke average of around 65 or so, which means that I visit a lot of rough, bunkers etc but scramble quite well through having had a LOT of practice from those lies. Pitching, chips, flops and solid bunker play save your rounds. A lot of good advice had been written above. No single setting suits everyone, so need to find one that gives you consistency. Even then, some days you can hit it sweet, others you're fighting hooks and slices. Avoiding overswing gives the single biggest improvement at TP, even if means hitting 260yd drives, I agree that mid irons are really tough, hence often playing percentage shots (where best to miss) to avoid bogies and doubles. Very rewarding, though, eventually. Breaking par already as you have done means you have a great foundation to chip away (pun intended) at those round-spoiling bogies and doubles. 

[Sliceapottomus]

Hey mailman, If you would like to talk about it. I am almost always available in OGT discord chat in the afternoon, and would gladly help. Setting must be tweaked towards individual liking and equipment... Please do not change x and y axis independently of one another. we do not allow that...

[SJude]

I have found that trying to hit a straight shot has been too difficult because I could rarely do it.  I usually try to shape about every shot I attempt anymore, there are exceptions, but most of the time I am shaping the ball.  I find the misses to be less penalizing and often still have birdie opportunities.  Outside of an occasional double cross, it works for me, give it a try, I have also had a heck of a lot more fun since I started doing this.  Where most guys love the 320 yard drives, I love a perfectly drawn or faded ball in the middle of the fairway  at 290 yards lol.  

[Mailman]

Here's something to try.  Set your Windows pointer speed one click to the left of neutral and see how that feels.  RTS is about finding your own swing through adjusting pointer speed and sensitivity settings until you find the balance that best suits you.  Then it is about practicing until you start getting "muscle memory" of the feel of a good tempo.

 

Tour Pro is difficult.  It requires focused concentration on each and every swing.  Though others have felt the nomenclature should be changed my feeling is that it  truly indicates the skill required to play at that level.  You have to be as good as an IRL tour pro to play well at this level.

 

 

@ JB et al, the major problem I have is my inability to find either a tempo that works either at say 95% (minimizing the deviation when I hit away from the 0.25 ratio) or a combination of mouse settings that give me a consistent shape!  Have even applied compressed air this week in the mouse laser in case there was crud in the orifice.  Short game is getting somewhat better at TP for sure because I am scrambling for 10+ holes per round now and I'm playing the challenge tour as well.  Latest tourney at Scottsdale had me shooting 4 rounds in the 70's for the first time due almost entirely to my short game 120yds in (no discernible difference with irons/woods from longer range).

 

80.79.78,84,83,81,78,77,81,77,81.83,73,76,71,74  has been my competitive rounds at TP @ OGT since my switch - make of that what you will.

 

@ JoeF,  windows pointer speed is already 1-click to the left but thanks for the suggestion.    Re finding 'the balance' there are many many swings that I have had in TP which feel right as I'm making the swing but the reality can be such a wild shot (either from the tee or the FW) that double+ is on the cards.  Even on the range I can go from a swing of say 0.30 one swing (in the trees on the right) to the next swing 0.20 (in the trees on the left).  Maybe my brain is unable to cope with the muscle-memory required at TP or perhaps I am being somewhat harsh on myself. 

 

Am hoping that other heavyweights at TP (RTS) would care to share their thoughts 

 

Edit:  Good news I am not bottom of the leaderboard this week    

[Mailman]

I have found that trying to hit a straight shot has been too difficult because I could rarely do it.  I usually try to shape about every shot I attempt anymore, there are exceptions, but most of the time I am shaping the ball.  I find the misses to be less penalizing and often still have birdie opportunities.  Outside of an occasional double cross, it works for me, give it a try, I have also had a heck of a lot more fun since I started doing this.  Where most guys love the 320 yard drives, I love a perfectly drawn or faded ball in the middle of the fairway  at 290 yards lol.  

 

Appreciate the advice although, for me, hitting a window at say 0.22-0.25 is just as easy/difficult for me as hitting say 0.25-0.28.  How on earth you get the scores at TP RTS that you do is beyond mere mortals such as myself. 

[Mailman]

Hmmmm just went onto the practice FW with x/y axes set the same - tried with varying sensitivites in-game and in-razer.  I tip my hat to anyone that can play with these the same.  Looks like a long weekend with the snow so will try some more but honestly am wondering if I can go through the pain  I just went through.  Not only does it make little or no difference to sideways movement but am now starting to experience intermittent big loss in distance as well so not a good combination.

 

But thanks to all for your thoughts.

[Sliceapottomus]

big loss in distance comes with a time out..... taking more than 3 seconds to complete swing.... the trick is to find the length of mouse pull ( 3 inches, 6 inches,  9 inches,) which allows you to get a consistent tempo. I found that a longer swing will help you get more accurate distances but the line or target accuracy will suffer. As Sjude mentions working the ball is easier than hitting it straight. key is tempo then you can tilt the mouse either way for draws and fades. Picking a catch phrase that allows you to always stay under the 3 second rule is a must. I've experimented with many  things trying to get it right. try saying " 1mississippi-twomississippi " back swing then " 3 and 4 " for down swing. if all else fails bring out the metronome lol... i tried it....lmao

[slouis]

I use a basic Microsoft wired mouse, the Comfort Optical 1000 - Black Pearl which was discontinued some years ago.  I think it cost me about $20 CAD and there are obviously no settings that can be adjusted but the sensitivity is just right for me.  I've tried some other basic optical mice but they are all too sensitive resulting in the avatar pulling the club back way too fast.  That said, breaking par at Pro difficulty level is still a challenge for me after more than 2 years using RTSM but I love the swing as it is uncanny how it captures the elements and feel of a real golf swing. 

Every time I think I have the swing figured out I am brought back to reality by a horrible round which is just like real golf.  Although PP says that the swing path and ratio are the two determinants affecting the swing I think  there is more to it than just those two.  On the range I have hit a driver where I  had a ratio close to .25, power over 100% and a low offset number yet my carry was only 200 yards.  There is another factor and it seems that to reduce the number of mishits I can't have too quick a downswing regardless of what ratio it produces. 

Kudos to Joe Bradley and SJude.  They are the only two players I know of that can play at the Tour Pro level using RTSM plus they still score well.

Mailman, you should join the RTCC tour at PGLS.  Once you have played a specified number of rounds you are given a handicap and we could use some more players.

[Greensboronclion]

I have tried to play RTSM and just cant hit the ball straight and everything is shaped for me and play at PGLS RTSC and for me a good score is par at Pro level and cant touch TP as i couldnt sniff the fairway  I use a Microsoft Xbox One controller and if you go past 100% your asking for trouble and hit about 50% of my greens and fairways.  I have found one thing with the mouse that I dont like and that is that you can use multiple mice and I found that by accident when I hooked up my wired mouse to play some 3C as the response was better wired than wireless and accidently bumped the wireless mouse and it moved the cursor.  So checked this out and found multiple mice control the same cursor and hooked 3 up at the same time and to be honest I dont like that at all because some mice are better for some aspects than others in the game.  I also dont like that you can adjust the axis of the mouse as that can present a problem for the sensitivity of the mouse.  I do know that any mouse I have tried to hit the ball playing RTSM I cant hit straight as it is one tough cookie and I have never fooled with the axis as I dont have a clue how to or care to but have been told it can be done.  There is really a big jump from Amateur to Pro and even more to TP but just happy to play Par golf at Pro RTSC.