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#21 jurgie

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Posted 16 April 2019 - 01:06 AM

Certainly was an impressive win, from behind no less. He will probably be making a little more noise before this season is over. Winning The Masters gave him a little pocket change. Maybe we can entice him to make a generous donation towards the completion of PG2. It is certainly more worthwhile than the EA Sports franchise. I would not even mind if it was called TW 2019. LOL.



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Posted 16 April 2019 - 02:16 AM

How about “Anime Golf 2020 featuring Tigger Whoods”?

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Posted 16 April 2019 - 02:44 AM

Tiger Woods has 81 PGA Tour wins now, second only to Sam Snead with 82. No one else is even close.

Jack Nicklaus-  63 wins, Ben Hogan - 64 wins, Arnold Palmer - 62 wins

 

A little bit of perspective here.

Jack had 58 seconds and 36 thirds in his PGA Tour career. No-one comes close to that.

But the real comparison has to take into account their opposition during their careers. Let's take the majors for a serious comparison.

During Jack's career he was playing against these people (with their number of majors wins).

Gary Player              9   
Tom Watson            8
Arnold Palmer         7
Lee Trevino              6
Nick Faldo                6
Seve Ballesteros     5
Ray Floyd                 4
Billy Casper             3
Hale Irwin                3      
Johnny Miller           2
Greg Norman           1
 
That is the 'great' champions list but in his time he was also playing against some superb golfers...
 
David Graham, Fuzzy Zoeller, Lanny Wadkins, Tom Weiskop, Ben Crenshaw, Bernhard Langer, and many more.
 
Here is a list of the runners-up to Tiger in his major wins with the numbers of majors they have won...
Tom Kite                   1
Sergio Garcia           1
Bob May                   0
David Duval              1
Thomas Bjorn          0
Retief Goosen          2
Chris DiMarco          0
Phil Mickelson          5
Colin Montgomery   0
Shaun Micheel         1
Woody Austin           0
Rocco Mediate         0
 
Probably the best and most consistent golfers during Tiger's career to date would be Phil, Ernie and maybe Rory.
 
Who's record would you take?  Which group would you rather be playing against? (I take nothing away from Tiger's wonderful golfing ability.)
 
 
I stayed up till 11pm for the start and it finished about 4.30am. I wasn't going to miss that. What surprised me, while watching the flight paths, was the waywardness of the driving from everyone - Tiger was almost the worst. You could never really tell where they were hitting or how much movement they were getting in the air in the old days watching on telly. 

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Posted 16 April 2019 - 12:46 PM

A little bit of perspective here... etc

 

Great post Ted. Thanks for the perspective. What triggered me in your post was 'Jacks seconds'. I read his autobio 'My Story' (1997) and in the back he's put in all the stats. Jack's stats are almost unbelievable. In the Majors alone Jack's got 19! seconds to Tigers 7. Unreal. For me Jack will always be nr. 1. Tiger's story is just as good though. Different, but just as good. On stats Jack is unbeatable, but as a 'life', Tiger has a place of his own at the top. And his story is not yet written. Also, i want to get Hogan in this too, because what happend to Hogan in '49 can easily compare with Tigers fysical hardships. Hogan was at the time seen as the greatest golfer ever to have played the game. The accident should have killed him on the spot (or leave him a cripple for the rest of his life) but through a miracle he survived and went on to even more Majors! Anybody who has read about (or watched documentaries on) the accident, knows what I am talking about. I always think of what Hogan would have accomplished without the accident... Anyway, these three men stand above the rest. In my book anyway. ;)


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Posted 16 April 2019 - 03:34 PM

It’s basically LeBron/Jordan or Brady/Montana/Bradshaw stuff.

These convos alone keep sports bars in business midweek.
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Posted 16 April 2019 - 09:57 PM

What surprised me, while watching the flight paths, was the waywardness of the driving from everyone - Tiger was almost the worst. 

 

Jack considered Lee Trevino very hard to beat - and Trevino acknowledges this - because he hit all his drives to the middle of the fairway with a bit of fade and, therefore, he was always 'in' the hole. It was evident in a match play situation such as the 1971 Us Open play-off against Jack. There's a lesson there I suppose. Having said that, Hogan suffered from a hook that was almost a duck hook for a time until he changed his swing.

 

I remember thinking, after watching early Tiger that - for one thing - he won't be able to control that 'thrashing' swing for ever and he'll do himself an injury if he keeps it up - for another. I've seen Tiger hacking at the ball like a beginner at times. I also pondered if Tiger dialed it back a bit and kept it on the fairway he would never lose. Then again, Jack was not a great bunker player or pitcher. But what I saw in Jack was the strength of his shot-making. That powerful, determined swing - the body low and compact and the weight transfer and clubhead speed all working together. If you were giving out swings I'd take Jack.

 

Tiger's greatest attribute (during his best years) was that he could read a green better than most. I think he believed he could make any putt. That belief has probably waned a bit (he hit a couple of very average putts in the Masters). Watch him on the weekend reading putts. Very focused. Compare him to the tour boofhead Adam Scott who never looks comfortable on the green. If Scott got that Jack 'crouch' over the putt he'd probably have more Majors. The Great White Egomaniac was the same. I guarantee he wouldn't crouch because he would think it would make him look silly. 



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Posted 16 April 2019 - 10:26 PM

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Just resting his legs?
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Posted 16 April 2019 - 10:28 PM

His problem was refusing to learn to control spin. Had he been born after invention of the Titleist Professional, he may have won more Majors.

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Posted 16 April 2019 - 11:14 PM

No no. Not that crouch. This crouch. Is it a crouch or a stoop? I dunno.

 

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Check out this little article...

 

https://forums.golfw...tting-technique


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Posted 17 April 2019 - 12:40 AM

Haha... Sorry for the misunderstanding. I'm guessing the key for Nicklaus stroke was matching his vision with the line.

There is a neat video Malaska has on using your line on the ball to aim. Then, setting your eyes so that you agree with the line.

I've fought this for years where you stand over the ball and have to tell yourself to trust the line because my eyes don't agree over the ball. But, you can position your eyes to agree and that's where you should stand.

I always wondered did Jack and Tiger putt better simply because they can read the green better? Do they see stuff we never even consider? Can they just "remember" the greens and breaks from practice rounds. Kind of like Brady or Manning photographic memories for plays or defensive positions in football.

Who knows? But, it's the reason they both were almost always in the mix on Sunday. In general, they both would get the most out of a bad round by grinding it out.

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Posted 17 April 2019 - 01:39 AM

Yeah.  I have used the Jack Crouch always. I'm sure I was influenced by Jack but at 6'1" I found I could 'see' better at a crouch. I consider myself an above average putter.

 

It's one thing to read a green from behind the ball and recognise the breaks but you still have to know how how much break to allow for. I think that's the key. I always allowed for more break so that the ball dies towards the hole. I see so many pros missing low. Scott the Boofhead misses both sides. It is a gift and you don't win 33 majors between you if you can't putt. There is no doubt Jack and Tiger read the breaks and know the path better than most.



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Posted 17 April 2019 - 06:48 PM

Haha... Sorry for the misunderstanding. I'm guessing the key for Nicklaus stroke was matching his vision with the line.

There is a neat video Malaska has on using your line on the ball to aim. Then, setting your eyes so that you agree with the line.

I've fought this for years where you stand over the ball and have to tell yourself to trust the line because my eyes don't agree over the ball. But, you can position your eyes to agree and that's where you should stand.

I always wondered did Jack and Tiger putt better simply because they can read the green better? Do they see stuff we never even consider? Can they just "remember" the greens and breaks from practice rounds. Kind of like Brady or Manning photographic memories for plays or defensive positions in football.

Who knows? But, it's the reason they both were almost always in the mix on Sunday. In general, they both would get the most out of a bad round by grinding it out.


Idk if this is the video your speaking of but it brought back my memory of brandon from be better golf I saw a couple of years ago..
https://youtu.be/t7RrP1DtM3o
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#33 DPRoberts

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Posted 17 April 2019 - 07:08 PM

Yes, that's it. Thanks for posting that.

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Posted 18 April 2019 - 06:50 AM

Compare him to the tour boofhead Adam Scott who never looks comfortable on the green. If Scott got that Jack 'crouch' over the putt he'd probably have more Majors.

 

Sharing the lead with two rounds to go, I thought this was Adam's best chance in ages to pick up another.  Disappointing result.

 

His problem was refusing to learn to control spin. Had he been born after invention of the Titleist Professional, he may have won more Majors.

 

It was the first urethane ball right?  I picked up some balata from eBay and the stories are true, when you hit them sweetly it's golfing pleasure.


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Posted 20 April 2019 - 12:38 PM

It's my opinion that you can't ever say who was better as different era's make that impossible. I had the Fortune of seeing both Jack and Tiger and my all time Favorite Tom Watson and admire all for what they bring to the game. I have been big time Tiger fan his whole career and am so glad to see him win a major again and believe he will now make run at Jack. Ted's chart shows the depth of Jack's opponents and the quality of them but not mentioned is they respected his game but didn't fear him where Tiger just scared the hell out of his piers. I still say the greatest event ever was in 1977 at Turnberry when they dualed for four rounds as if the rest of the field wasn't even there. This Masters wasn't quite that but it was close as the field didn't fear Tiger but now know what it's like to get his best and for that golf is in a much better place today.
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Posted 23 April 2019 - 11:58 AM

Imo,people get the tiger or jack issue confused..I think tiger is the best player and jack so far and probably will have the best career of all time..

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Posted 23 April 2019 - 05:22 PM

still beatin that dead horse !!!



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Posted 23 April 2019 - 08:59 PM

Tiger even acknowledges that Jacks 18 majors is the standard to beat to be the best.  That is and has always been Tigers goal.   Beat Jack record.   So IMHO any argument of who is the best Golfer is clear -- Jack.   When Tiger wins his 19th major he will be king. 


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