144 replies to this topic

[remers]

I'm on the verge of giving up the mouse swing RTS because I'm not sure that I can stand the frustration of being so very hopeless at it!

 

I'm a half decent Tour Pro Motion Swinger with regular scores under par and a few decent finishes in the tour events at OGT but the new RTS has almost beaten me.

 

I've spent several fruitless hours on the practise range and played a number of massively high scoring rounds at various courses (30over being the best) and have now just had a sole destroying 32 shots on a single hole at Crystal Pines!

 

I can't for the life of me seem to work out a pace of swing or mouse sensitivty setting that gets me even close to hitting anything straight.  I feel as if I've tried the lot in terms of tempo and nothing seems to come close to my motion swing results. Perhaps my set-up is wrong or perhaps I'm just not cut out for it but I do know that I'm on the verge of abandonment and that makes me sad

 

Surely it shouldn't be this hard on all but the hacker level (rhetorical question)!

 

I just needed to share because I so very much want to emrace this swing type having always found it the best way to play (Links, TW, TGC) but I just can't seem to nail it.

 

Answers on a postcard please.

[Dazmaniac]

I've never played MS, but I believe the concept of RTS is very similar to MS other than the RTS swing has no meter to set shot power, it is all done based on ani back-swing length. Th same tempo factors are applied to the swing, so if you had a good tempo with MS  I would expect the same would carry on over in to RTS.

 

I'm a 3C player, but having tried both RTS-M and RTS-C at Amateur (and I'm far from being top of the tree), I can hit shots with both swing types, so would expect an MS player to be able to do the same.

[mebby]

In order to get anything working for me with RTSM I had to increase my swing sensitivity in order to slow the animations backswing down enough to be comfortable with my mouse motion.  After that I was fine tee to green but I couldn't putt to save my life.

 

I've since started playing with RTSC simply because I'm having a blast with it.  I'll eventually come back to the mouse-based version but right now the controller swing is phenomenal.  

[Crow357]

What's your mouse sensitivity at?

[remers]

That was my thinking too Daz but sadly, whatever I do when playing MS hasn't transferred very well to RTS.  Nevermind, I'll persevere or ditch it if it gets too frustrating.  Not sure there any other answer because my set-up is decent so it's not hardward related and entirely pilot error I'm sure

[IanK]

Give the RTS-C a try remers. In my opinion it is more forgiving then RTS-M. I've just used it for the first time and it's fantastic.

[JoeF]

You use the same swing in RTS as you did in MS.  Try going to the range using motion swing and hit a bunch of shots until you get a feel for your swing.  Then start a practice round using RTS and make the same swing - you should be able to feel it.  I did find that I increased my sensitivity from 2.5 to 2.7, but that's it.

[remers]

Thanks Mebby, Crow but I've tried all sorts in terms of sensitivity.  I've tried it set to 4.0 for both and I've tried it set to 1.0.  I'm currently set to 2.50 for the main swing and 4.0 for the short game.  It's the driving and longer shots that I seem to be having most problems with as the short game and putting are fine.   It would therefore stand to reason that I should perhaps set my main swing to 4 and just practise more but I'm so far out with it that I must be doing something fundamentally wrong.

 

As mentioned, my MS game was fine and the driving was probably the best part of it but with the new swing I'm not even close.  Everything is shooting so far right off the club that i'm sneaking up on every green from the rough and trees if it stays in bounds!

 

Don't worry fellas, I'm sure I'll find a balance with the sensitivity that I can work with and I guess it's a case of putting more time in and perhaps twaking my mouse DPI too which I've only just thought of.  I'll try that and report back.

[remers]

Thanks Ian, thanks Joe.  I've never been a great controller user and have always preferred my mouse because I sit at my computer all day and it feels more natural to me.  My kids laugh whenever I try playing them at games on the Xbox because I don't seem to have the thumbs for it!

 

Give me a mouse and a first person shooter and I'm fine but something with a controller and things go downhill rapidly .

[robbiet71]

I have been testing RTS Mouse for about three weeks and was previously an MS player.

Just now I shot -3 at HCanyon in the OGT at Tour Pro. My best round to date at TourPro using RTS-M.

My advice with RTS-M: Avoid overswinging. Go to the range and hit balls so that you are getting between 90-99% power. It is more difficult to be precise than MS was regarding power (a good thing imo, more realistic)

When you overswing it seems MUCH harder to find the correct downswing tempo, at least for me. On Pro level I can overswing and get backspin and actually I've been enjoying Pro a lot more than TP lately.

I spent half an hour on the range before my round at HC. It worked a treat. I only hit 2 really bad shots all round.

Putting, I seem to have the knack for reading the BLI quite well and also judging the speed of putting has come quite naturally using RTS-M. I find putting no harder than MS putting used to be. Just takes some practice.

I really enjoy RTS-M and wont go back to MS now. Best of luck!

p.s. I use a sensitivity of 3.7

[JoeF]

If you're consistently going right I would suspect your backswing is too fast.

[axe360]

Here's the facts. I had to go down to a lower level (Amatuer)  to find my groove. I will play that for a while, months maybe before I move up slowly.. TP is the most difficult and even though I played at the highest level True Swing in TW's PC, this is going to have to be relearned.

RIghtly so too. I'm glad that right out of the gate, Tour Pro RTS-M is to difficult for me, that's the way it should be.. Hope that helps..

 

Also very good advice from Robbiet71, play around with Swing Meter Sensitivity in the Game menu.. I'm at about 1.80 but it will very, I know if I go to zero, the club moves so fast, I can barely see it.. lol...

Edited by axe360, 21 February 2016 - 08:41 PM.

[frank70]

Yeah RTS-M is a different animal for me too. With the same setup (sensitivity, dpi) i am all over the place, mostly severly hitting the ball to the right.

 

So in order to play with the new swing mechanic you have to built your swing from the ground up. I am not sure if i am willing to do that. I very much like the "new" MS which seems very good in terms of difficulty/realism. After all we should play with the ability of pros (wasn't that the intention of the devs?). I can see that with MS - with RTS-M far, far away.

 

I too would like .... to like the RTS-M but i swing differently than with the MS - and so, practicing 20-30 hours of RTS-M will probably totally mess up my MS.

[remers]

Cheers Robbie and I'll try dialing back the swing a little.  My natural pace seems to put the club into the overswing area often which isn't going to help at all and I think that must be playing a big part in my failures.   For whatever reason, my eyes, brain and hand aren't quite in sync at the moment but I'll keep thrashing away up the right hand side of most courses for now and see if I can crack it.

[remers]

I'm, sure you're right Joe and unfortunately for me, my natural mouse swing pace is probably too quick and I'm not able to slow down my downswing enough to compensate.  I'll try though

 

Axe you're dead right, it should be hard and it's a better game for it.  I always want a game to be as hard as possible and to work up to it and I think you're spot on that I'm going to have to swallow my pride and drop down to a much lower level to learn it from the ground up.

 

Frank, I think we're very similar in our mouse RTS failings as I too can't seem to stop things from vearing way right and my motion swing control doesn't seem to want to switch to RTS, not even close.  I too think that the putting tweaks on motion swing are great and will bring it closer to real life stats which is a great thing too, I just want to get good with RTS as I have always preferred the 1 to 1 synchronicity.

 

I'm not giving up on the RTS just yet and will start from amateur and work up from there.  Plan sorted, thank you all.

[Mike Jones]

The BIG difference is with the rts m timing. The over swing does not count for tempo which is different than the motion swing. This means that if you try and use your motion swing tempo you will likely hit all overpowered shots right.

[Armand]

When I started with RTSH, I was hitting everything on the driving range right -- way right, into the rocks and trees.  Fiddling with sensitivities and speed of back swing and down swing got me a few hits to the left (usually into the water), but I couldn't really gain any knowledge or consistency. 

 

I started playing with camera options and found the "Top Player" camera to be very useful to determine a tempo for the RTSH swing.  Looking from above, I attempted to make a back swing that mimics my tempo in real golf.  Likewise, I tried to make my down swing with the same tempo I would use in real life.  In less than about 15 or 20 swings, I actually hit a couple straight and got much closer to 0.25 ratio.  It's a very interesting camera for the tee, but approach shots and putts are a bit laughable, as the camera doesn't show you the ball going to the hole! (and that's no help if you hit it too long.)  I hit some good approach shots, good chips and pitches just by looking at the swing from above.  Putting seems to be much more intuitive from the Top Player camera as well.  I don't see/notice the stabby putts I did with the normal Player camera.  I still need lots of practice, but there is light.... 

 

I'm soon going to see if I can translate a good tempo from the Top Camera to the Player or even panoramic camera.

[remers]

Yep thanks Mike, that sounds to be exaclty what is going wrong, I'll work on dialing it back a touch.  Great update though and a top decision to allow all user made courses to be free for all.  I'm sure the user base will vote positively with their wallets when you start to put out the DLC too.  Great work.

[remers]

Good info Armand, thanks and I'm going to try the top camera right now to see if I can get it working as you suggest, thank you.

[axe360]

I'll just say that i'm sure everyone here would NOT want this brand new swing mode RTS-M/H, to be easy enough to do on Tour Pro, right off the bat. As IRL, we have to work our way up and that's something PG has achieved IMO.. It will make it that much sweeter, when you can do it, in Tour Pro mode...   Have fun.

Can't wait till we get tournaments where you have to start out at amateur, then work you way up to Tour Pro..