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[PBaldwin]

I was thinking about this and as much as I'd love to see it be motion swing, I think it would have to be the 3 click swing.  The motion swing can be exploited too easily with either a mouse that can block axis, reduce certain axis, or use a different controller to do similar.  As far as I know there would be no possible way to ever know if someone is doing any of those things. With the 3 click you don't have to worry about any of that, unless some type of ding bot could be made.

 

So I'm steering towards 3 click full hardcore.  What are your thoughts?

[rjc3095]

I agree

[MimicPS]

Yep... I'm afraid no assists clickers will be too hardcore for me if they constantly insist that anyone playing Motion Swing is using some sort of exploit...

[Rehit]

you can write macros for any mouse...
this would include timing between clicks.
cheating has been dealt with since man has been on the planet.
that is not going to change.

[fungolfer]

I agree Rehit. I remember the good old times at Links 2003. I'm a real good clicker, but alot of RTS player simply whooped my butt. Once the ppl. realize how to do the perfect swing at Motion I'm pretty sure there will be no big difference again. It seems to be easy to hit straight with 3 click, but even with medium aids, I keep missing snap. And this is just great. Atm 3 click is easier than MS but thats only temporary I bet.

[Mike Jones]

With the tempo requirement in motion swing, 'edging' will not do you much good.

[LasseThid]

if they constantly insist that anyone playing Motion Swing is using some sort of exploit...

Just wait until they see me playing and they will know that is not true... 

[Richard]

I was thinking about this and as much as I'd love to see it be motion swing, I think it would have to be the 3 click swing.  The motion swing can be exploited too easily with either a mouse that can block axis, reduce certain axis, or use a different controller to do similar.  As far as I know there would be no possible way to ever know if someone is doing any of those things. With the 3 click you don't have to worry about any of that, unless some type of ding bot could be made.

 

So I'm steering towards 3 click full hardcore.  What are your thoughts?

 

Short of taking 'cheaters' out back and shooting them. There's nothing to be done but to add them to your 'kill list', i.e. never plan them again.

 

I've always been a 'clicker' in Links because I was never able to master the other variable methods. Here at PG, I've only tried motion swing for less that 6 holes and decided to wait until it is enhanced. My reasoning is strictly based on the fact that I'm concerned that I'll develop bad habits and have a hard time converting to a new method. I'm looking forward to motion swing, especially when it gets tied to the avatar. Will I like it, only time will tell.

[Greensboronclion]

My event I setup each week at LSPN is for classic swing only as I can't stand Edgeing and that is how I eliminated it. But this motion swing is different as Mike has stated and playing with it the last few days has opened my eyes. I don't think anyone could use an edge for success with the motion swing and I now prefer it as it feels like real golf. Edgeing has been around for awhile and we know who uses it and who doesn't over at Links but a wise old linkster has also told me where it won't work. With Edgeing you can't shape the ball and course with lots of doglegs and turns tend to not be courses the edgers will play and the straight bomber courses are wher they show up the most. Again this motion swing is quite fun as I am finding out and I urge all to give it a try.

[dedBuNNy]

Using MS with no assists with the x axis damn near shut down is useless. MS isn't about motion in a straight line, running the edge of something does almost nothing and is most cases annoying as hell to do. 

 

If you're going to have a top level career pro style anything here it has to be done with MS and no assists. 3 Click swing is for people who want to enjoy a moderate challenging game. With assists off 3 clicking I find doesn't do it for me. I'll use it in my other profile to just bang around with... And I think that's the key to this game... How you feel like playing that day? I'm not anti 3 Click.. Just think top players who want to work it should be MS/NA. 

 

The whole stink about using a gaming mouse and slowing one axis or another, or whatever you want to do with it. It's not cheating and to be honest I've only noticed in  consistent  terms about a 5% benefit but that could just be me getting better. It really just feels more comfortable shooting that way, using that mouse. In reality, using a hires drawing tablet would be the best thing if you want to 'edge' the swing.. Don't count on it making you a better player though...

 

Oh, and you don't think they're finished tuning the swing meters do you? 

[PBaldwin]

Well I just tried with my Razer mouse.  I don't really know what I'm doing, but on motion swing no aids I can't get it to go straight at all.  With the X axis cranked down to minimum senstivity and Y at 1600, I can go straight much more easily and just after a few tries.  I have no idea what I'm doing either.

[PBaldwin]

Motion swing does seem much more fun.  I'm just looking at it from the perspective of tournaments coming up and which type of swing will be at the advantage.  Also will the tournaments be set up only for one type of swing?  If you're going to compete how do you compete with people adjusting their mouse sensitivity or doing other things?

 

It's funny about the x,y axis senstivity exploit.  I don't call it cheating, it's more of an exploit.  Someone did that to me on Tiger Woods a long time ago for at least a dozen rounds and it got so frustrating to see someone shoot straight as an arrow everytime while I couldn't get close to that! I didn't know he was doing that but it was all in good fun as we are good friends.  He kept telling me to use the edge of a book! LOL

[Rehit]

i have also played around with my Razer mice just too see what is actually possible.
i play click and always will due to the condition of my hand over years of boxing and falling off motorcycles.
the motion swing in this game cannot really be "dialed in" using the mouse controls.
the tempo and power are too intertwined for it to be much help at all.
it requires pretty good hand eye coordination to keep from just spraying shots all over the course.
after playing with it a while i have pretty much decided (for myself) that it is pretty cheat proof with all the aids turned off.
it would imagine it could be somewhat mastered over time, but that will require a lot of practice.
and that is about as real as it can be in my opinion.
playing good golf requires a lot of practice...

[dedBuNNy]

Well I just tried with my Razer mouse.  I don't really know what I'm doing, but on motion swing no aids I can't get it to go straight at all.  With the X axis cranked down to minimum senstivity and Y at 1600, I can go straight much more easily and just after a few tries.  I have no idea what I'm doing either.

 

It does, a little I find but not like a guide or anything, help to hold the line a bit better but MS is all about tempo and range of motion and there's just no way you're going to 'jig that up man, no way. 

 

It takes practice but in short I find that smooth, short even tempo works best. It's not a velocity only swing found that out pretty fast. 

 

One thing I did do was to set the profile with 2 dpi values, I switch to a higher one for putting, I find I don't short putts as much as the down speed is a bit faster. I know it's not about speed, but because putting is so short habit is to play it slow tempo which is death.

 

I went to my MX-518, still my fav - Oh, and ah, she hits the D1, I take care of the rest. 

 

[fran21356]

I never used any aids with RTS in the Links game and frankly all the top players were and still are using three click swing. There are no top RTS players that are forever at the top of the tournaments week in and week out. Putting on slow greens I found was very difficult because not all tournament listed as having slow greens ran at the same speed. I found some greens I couldn't  reach the hole and other times when I swung harder I clanked the ball off of the hole. I find the mouse swing more realistic and much harder to groove.

[aftrshok99]

It does, a little I find but not like a guide or anything, help to hold the line a bit better but MS is all about tempo and range of motion and there's just no way you're going to 'jig that up man, no way. 

 

It takes practice but in short I find that smooth, short even tempo works best. It's not a velocity only swing found that out pretty fast. 

 

One thing I did do was to set the profile with 2 dpi values, I switch to a higher one for putting, I find I don't short putts as much as the down speed is a bit faster. 

 

I went to my MX-518, still my fav - Oh, and ah, she hits the D1, I take care of the rest. 

 

Hey, did you take a picture of my mouse at work.....haha....I have that same mouse here at my job...lol

[axe360]

I know one thing. I'm sick and tired of these topics that always pop up.. Motion swingers are just a bunch of cheaters. It's always the same story too.. Motion swing can be exploited but 3 click cannot.. Give me a break and make this topic disappear. In my opinion it does nothing but breed ill will. 

 

Here is my solution.

 

 Games that can be set up like this..

1. 3 clickers only.

2. Motion Swing only.  ( I like to play head to head this way to test my skills against other Motion Swingers).

3.  3 Click and Motion Swing together.. ( i have many friends that play 3 click and I like to challenge them)

4. When controllers come in, then we will need choices for them to mix it up or just play together too.

There, now anyone who always claims that Motion Swing is exploited, never has to worry about that again.. Right.

 

I don't like cheaters either but it's hard to prove that someone actually is cheating..Some ppl can't take losing so they claim it, some ppl think man, I can't play that good, so they claim it. I think I have the solution for you.  If you can prove that someone is cheating then they should be banned from here..

 

Now, I prefer to have these selections available because I like it that way... Gives everyone a choice.. I don't really give these choices because I think ppl are cheating all the time but I think this covers any and all concerns.. I like to have these choices cause there good choices.. If anyone can add to the choices then I am all ears..

 

These type of discussions really do no good IMO accept cast doubt on all Motion Swingers and it's just not true.....

 

Thanks for reading, I hope you will take it under advisement..

 

Axe..

[Mike Jones]

BTW our goal is to make all swing methods play at comparative difficulty once the game is played to a good level. This will require a bit of tweaking and balancing but it''s our hope that any one swing method will not have an advantage over another. This will also include the controller swing option when it arrives.

[aftrshok99]

BTW our goal is to make all swing methods play at comparative difficulty once the game is played to a good level. This will require a bit of tweaking and balancing but it''s our hope that any one swing method will not have an advantage over another. This will also include the controller swing option when it arrives.

I'm thinking that could be a tough task, I could be wrong though.   

[axe360]

Shouldn't be a tough task they did it for years in TW08... (oops there I go again)...