19 replies to this topic

[frank70]

I have the feeling that i don't pull or push any putts.

When I'm slighty off with the normal swing (motion controlled) i can see it immediately.

For me, putting is a little bit on the easy side. I want it equally challenging to hit a perfect, straight putt, as it is to hit the ball straight with woods and irons.

[Rush2112]

I definitely push/pull putts using max/max aids, yet I can hit my drives and approach shot fairly straight most of the time. It should take me quite a while to get to using no aid, if you've already mastered the game with no aid life must be really boring for you.⛳

I should add that I have not putted with no aids, just hit the driving range. So you could be right.

[AlanBernardo]

I have the feeling that i don't pull or push any putts.

When I'm slighty off with the normal swing (motion controlled) i can see it immediately.

For me, putting is a little bit on the easy side. I want it equally challenging to hit a perfect, straight putt, as it is to hit the ball straight with woods and irons.

I think they realize that putting is much too easy.  As far as I can see you can't push or pull putts, which is part of the problem.  They need to toughen things up a bit, and I've played on the fastest settings and never use aids.  Maybe allowing for a push or pull on a put is what is needed, but not as pronounced as it is when using other clubs.

 

Right now, no matter where I am on the green, I can most of the time get close enough to the hole to finish in two.  Unless totally flubbing a short putt, three-putting is hard to do.

 

Alan

[LasseThid]

I found this at Linkscorner, posted by JoeF, 27 Jan, 8.47 PM, dunno if it is true or not, but it sounds possible:

The current putting model has been the centre of much discussion with many complaining "it's too easy". True, it is not particulary difficult, but there is a reasoning behind it. Mike wanted to create the sense of what a pro golfer deals with when putting. Most pros rarely 3 putt and 2 putting is also the norm in PG. That was by design - you know your opponent is likely to make his second putt, so the pressure is now on you to make that first putt if you hope to win. There's a good chance that the putting will be revamped before final release to something more in line with what we are all used to, but this current putting mode can still be challenging when the pressure is on.

[Ian]

I've missed a 3ft putt a few times with no aids turned on, the slightest pull or push is enough. My friend missed 2 last night with all the aids at max, so there does seem to be a penalty for missed snaps at all levels.

Bilbad

[frank70]

Okay. I play with minimum aids motion swing. I just have the feeling, that my putts are always on my intended line. I don't master that with my normal swing.

 

Generally speaking. I make a lot of 10 - 15 footers. Jimmy Walker, a good putter, made 35 % of his 10-15 footers and just 19 percent from 15-20 feet. I think i have to write down my success within these ranges. My feeling is, that i make more. Maybe more people could do this, to help the devs to find the right balance.

 

Having a putting difficulty would be a good idea. (Maximum, Moderate Minimum, no aid). Maybe a dev can chime in and explain, if the putting diffculty stands alone or if it is linked to the swing difficulty.

[#GCW]

Generally speaking. I make a lot of 10 - 15 footers. Jimmy Walker, a good putter, made 35 % of his 10-15 footers and just 19 percent from 15-20 feet. I think i have to write down my success within these ranges. My feeling is, that i make more. Maybe more people could do this, to help the devs to find the right balance.

 

You have hit the nail on the head there frank, It is one of the main things I have picked up on so far.

I dont think any golf game has ever produced the correct percentage of putts made statistics. to me I find 3 footers are more like 1 footers I.E unmissable, 8-10 footers just seem routine and can be drilled in, 30 footers drop far too often.

To me - I am not convinced this all lies in the mechanics being too easy. I also feel that all golf games get the size of the hole relative to the ball wrong and the physics of the ball around the cup wrong. For example a 3 footer drilled into the right edge of the cup will just dissapear straight down, where as in reality it would hit the right edge and bounce a little either into the cup or out of the hole, I have always felt the holes seem too big, especially in links2003 where it seems like a bucket. The tiger woods series also suffers from this, where putts that look like they will miss just dive straight through the side of the hole as if being sucked into a black hole. It would really be great and add a lot the the experience if we had more authentic lip outs, and a 3 footer was actually as uncomfortable as they can be IRL, because at the moment a 3 footer is a tap in IMO, we should be penalised for trying to power them in and pulling or pushing slightly off center, a firm putt really cant afford to be off center IRL.

 

just me two cents worth trying to help this fantastic game to be the best.

 

regards,

[frank70]

Couldn't have said it better. 3 footers are gimmies. I know that most pros have a success rate over 95 % within this range. So i can live with that. But from 5 - 20 feet no golf game so far has got it right.

You made a great point, that maybe the cup physics are a little to forgiving, maybe it should be more difficult to perform a perfect putting motion.

The statistic are quite obvious: All putts within 7 feet have a very good chance to be holed by a tour pro (Jimmy Walker: From 7 feet: 63 %). Between 8 and 10 feet he drops to under 50 %. Between 10-15 35 %, 15-20 19 %, 20-25 13%.

I'm tracking my putting stats in the next rounds (Wouldn't it be great, if the game would do that automatically in the future?). Maybe i'm all wrong.

[#GCW]

No bud - you are spot on.

I am a bit of a geek in this area myself as over the winter working on my own game I have been tracking my own stats from different distances, and I have trawled over the pro stats frequently  just like yourself. As you say - a pro will make roughly 50% from around 7-8 feet. And 95% from 3 feet.

So I have been working hard on exercises like trying to nail 25 3 footers on the spin, then five 6 footers on the spin etc whilst tracking results... And I am now managing nearly 90% from 3 feet - and it takes a lot of work and practice!! maybe that is why it annoys me so much that they are so easy on golf games!

[PBaldwin]

Missing the ding on the putts to me seem very unforgiving.  I've had numerous 3-10 ft straight putts that I just barely miss the ding and it goes off line or lips out.  Rarely do those miss dings sink.  I've even had to focus on dinging the 2 ft putts because I've even missed those from missing the ding.  This is with aids off.

[frank70]

3 Klick?

I don't have a feedback of the quality of my putting stroke with mouse swing.

[dedBuNNy]

I find it much much easier to putt with Motion and no assists... Using the smaller grid, it's much nice to get the read. Once the power/avatar tie -in are in the game I think putting will be much nicer. 

 

Since using the no assists I have to say that I find putting challenging, it's not real easy thats for sure. I'm reserving judgment as it were til Mike or someone comes in here and says "K, putting is set" 

 

 

Oh and PB? Stop saying the 'D word' !    

[Mike Jones]

Some people thing putting is too easy and some people think it's too difficult

 

I think it very much depends on the courses you play, some are much easier to putt on than others and also what assist you may be using. Right now putting is all I can handle.

 

A good tip is to hit your short putts harder, most tour pros hit putts at speed that would go 3 or 4 feet past if they miss - but they don't. The last thing you want is a 3 footer dribbling to the hole as it's just going to take the break too much and lip out.

[JOHNDALY91]

I find the putting to be fairly realistic using 3click with minimal aids...I have pushed and pulled many putts and must concentrate on almost all putts over 3 feet. A few rounds I experienced some weird hole dynamics were it seemed the cup was full of sand and the ball refused to fall in the cup...this happened only 3-4 rounds, but turned a few easy pars in to double bogeys.

[J.H.Buchanan]

Putting can be hard in motion swing with all the aids on - you can push and pull puts try not bringing the club back straight and not moving it back up straight it will go more right or left - If you are not doing this then perhaps you are a good putter. I suggest you then play against someone and enjoy driving them nuts as they see your puts always going center cup and always going in. 

[Keith]

I must have missed the memo on easy putting.  I use max aids and still find it quite difficult.  Granted I don't 3 putt a lot, but sinking a lot of 1st putts is not happening for me right now.

[sirputterman]

I find putting fairly easy but I have missed some 3 footers also and yes a slight miss of the snap was the cause. Right now I think its fair.

I have friend that finds putting the hardest. He says the meter moves so fast which I found odd as I certainly didn't find it any faster then Expert in TW08 which we both also play together. Is  it a setting that he may have mistakenly messed  up? We both 3 click and I find the meter actually moves a bit slow compared to Expert in TW08. Just wondering what could be the difference between us finding the meter acting differently.

[Crow357]

My putting meter moves slower than the regular club meter on 3 click. I don't even worry about missing the snap. Of course I play with aids at max as I can't hit a straight tee shot without em

[sirputterman]

I find it that way too Crow and thats why I thought it so odd for him to find it the exact opposite.

[NoPutt]

Putting is at the moment the weakest part of my game with aids maxed using the MS. I mess around with the stimp/firmness

a good bit and I suspect this is why I'm mediocre at putting. I try not to use the grid at all, except

occasionally when the grade is very subtle. Mouse sensitivity is key to me, and finding a setting that matches

my swing was tough at first, but I finally found a comfort zone. I like the meter as is but look forward to having

just the Ani to go by.

Oh yea, I use a corded mouse, it keeps me from throwing it to far.