35 replies to this topic

[Mick-S]

topping the ball and it going about 20 ft  seems a bit harsh to me and needs toning down a bit, o.k  slow and you slice, fast and you hook is a great idea, but topping when you may just be a tad fast or slow is just  frustrating. 

[Buck]

Mick-S, on 08 Jul 2015 - 3:40 PM, said:

topping the ball and it going about 20 ft  seems a bit harsh to me and needs toning down a bit, o.k  slow and you slice, fast and you hook is a great idea, but topping when you may just be a tad fast or slow is just  frustrating. 

 

What aid levels are you using Mick?

[Mick-S]

I have everything on max, have only just gone from 3 click to motion swing which I think is great, except for the above gripe, lol

[Charles]

I've had that happend once in a while. I actually love it! Let me explain: ofcourse I don't REALLY like it, but it's the first time I can experience the same thing/feeling as in real life! I could not top a ball in other games. As far as I can see PG is the first golf sim which actually can have you top it if your swing is off! And that's the only reason. It does happen more often as the aids go down, so, for me, it's just a question of focussing on making a good swing. Again, like irl, If you're topping it a lot, you'll have to go back to the range (or move up the aids a bit).  

[Mick-S]

I totally agree with the concept, just it`s a bit to sensitive, in real life you don`t always top the ball by swinging to fast, lifting your head/shoulders and arms is normally what does it.

[Mike Jones]

It only happens when you go very slowly - 3 seconds is an age to swing a golf club so just speed your overall motion up a little.

 

It's actually easier to hit the ball straighter if you develop some rhythm rather than trying to be too careful as that doesn't work in real golf either!

[JoeF]

The motion swing has a "swing clock" of 3 seconds.  From the time you begin to move your mouse you have 3 seconds to complete your swing.  If you take longer than that you rapidly begin to lose distance to the point where you can end up duffing the shot as illustrated in the posts above (3.5 seconds, perhaps?).  Tempo is not the issue here but rather the overall speed of the swing.  I've found it tends to bite me in the *ss most often when I'm chipping as I seem to have a natural tendency to slow my swing down on delicate chips.

 

Fortunately the "swing clock" is not used on the putting stroke so you can safely take your time when putting.

[Mick-S]

as I said Mike, new to the motion swing, will keep that in mind not to swing to slow.

 

JoeF, I need to practice more, but it`s costing me a fortune snapping drivers over my knee, lol

going to the range right now.

[Joe Habiger]

Mike Jones, on 08 Jul 2015 - 4:20 PM, said:

It only happens when you go very slowly - 3 seconds is an age to swing a golf club so just speed your overall motion up a little.

 

It's actually easier to hit the ball straighter if you develop some rhythm rather than trying to be too careful as that doesn't work in real golf either!

 

Why not have that 3 second rule turn into a 4-5 second rule especially if you introduce swinging slightly faster on the downswing like it should be. Some have a slow swing like (Bob Murphy) some have a fast swing like Nick Price. You introduced tempo for a reason but let players decide how slow or fast they want to swing. Many people have faster DPI mice as well, I have to turn mine down because your sensitivity only goes to 2..lol

[spy88]

There is another way to flub a drive (or any other MS shot).  If your push thru is hesitated for a fraction of a second but you continue pushing anyway, this will cause a mis-hit.  It's very important for the pull and push motions to be as smooth and continuous as possible.  If you can catch yourself at that moment of hesitation, don't  finish the swing...re-set it and try again.  jmo(bservation) 

[MimicPS]

Mick-S, on 08 Jul 2015 - 4:23 PM, said:

as I said Mike, new to the motion swing, will keep that in mind not to swing to slow.

 

JoeF, I need to practice more, but it`s costing me a fortune snapping drivers over my knee, lol

going to the range right now.

 

At least you are keeping PG's Pro Shop in the black though Mick....

 

Give this a go Mick, to build the swing confidence a bit better. It is more like the drill you would do if on the range yourself.

 

Not sure what you have in your bag, but start with one of the mid-irons (8 or 7) which gives a good enough strike and is somewhat less forgiving and won't feel quite as 'critical' to start as the Driver. You should naturally find you strike that club with a quicker overall tempo - the three-second window.

 

Focus on purely the tempo in calm wind conditions... possibly even with the Pro Tracer on to get a better idea of flight, and hit a buckets-worth taking note of the natural 'shape' of your swing. Use this stage to make the adjustments to sensitivity and your mental 'picture' of your own particular tempo. I usually find that if the ball is tending to go right I need to nudge the sensitivity down one, or if left, up one. Use the same swing after making that fine adjustment and see if it is straighter.

 

Then step up to one of your longer irons - perhaps a 4 iron if you carry one - and do the same buckets-worth once you have found your 'groove'. Also, if you have a hybrid, do the same with that. I then find a step to a fairway wood and finally up to driver should have that muscle-memory better set and you'll find more success.

 

As I say, if you were on the range and your Pro tutor saw you pulling out the big dog first up then he'd roll his eyes. Approaching the virtual range in the same way you would in real-life can't do any harm.

 

Hope that works to iron a few kinks out, and my apologies if it seems like teaching your grandmother how to s u c k eggs.

[JoeF]

Joe Habiger, on 08 Jul 2015 - 4:49 PM, said:

Why not have that 3 second rule turn into a 4-5 second rule especially if you introduce swinging slightly faster on the downswing like it should be. Some have a slow swing like (Bob Murphy) some have a fast swing like Nick Price. You introduced tempo for a reason but let players decide how slow or fast they want to swing. Many people have faster DPI mice as well, I have to turn mine down because your sensitivity only goes to 2..lol

 

But Joe,  on the downswing you already have to swing faster than the backswing - 4 times faster to be exact.  And the average swing time of a pro is right around the 1 second mark.  The difference between Nick Price's swing (quick at 0.8 seconds) and what is considered a "slow" swing (1.2 seconds) is pretty small. We are already getting the luxury of extra time to help us set our power at 3 seconds but 4-5 seconds would almost negate the variability that comes from not having too much time to set power exactly.  The longer swing times would allow us to set power precisely which, in the real world of golf, is next to impossible.  That is one of the variables which keeps PG from becoming to rote when playing.

[Mick-S]

that's what I think is my problem, hesitation on the down swing.

[Buck]

I really feel like the Motion Swing could benefit from movement of the "dot" that has some momentum.

 

If you had to slow your back swing near the top and the dot had some momentum, you'd have to time it up and change direction to get  the power you want and it would simultaneously really introduce acceleration going the other direction (which lots of people have asked for)

 

The motion swing is really good - but not without room for some subtle things to improve it (in my eyes anyhow)

[Joe Habiger]

JoeF, on 08 Jul 2015 - 5:23 PM, said:

But Joe,  on the downswing you already have to swing faster than the backswing - 4 times faster to be exact. 

 

WRONG... Do me a favor, take a backswing and then go slower than your backswing. You actually hit the ball pretty straight...

4X faster is in some other games but not this one, I just played a couple rounds last night so I know this is false.

 

Your swing is much faster than mine apparently, please do not tell me how fast I should swing. I swing faster in the other game I play because it's a smoother mouse control, I can work the ball with the mouse and not so here because of the tempo open/closed clubface requirement.

 

Personally I could give a rats *** about what a pro hits, I am not a pro..

[JoeF]

Joe Habiger, on 09 Jul 2015 - 12:44 PM, said:

WRONG... Do me a favor, take a backswing and then go slower than your backswing. You actually hit the ball pretty straight...

4X faster is in some other games but not this one, I just played a couple rounds last night so I know this is false.

 

Your swing is much faster than mine apparently, please do not tell me how fast I should swing. I swing faster in the other game I play because it's a smoother mouse control, I can work the ball with the mouse and not so here because of the tempo open/closed clubface requirement.

 

Personally I could give a rats *** about what a pro hits, I am not a pro..

 

You really need to get your facts straight, Joe.  From the tutorial on motion swing:

 

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Timing

This is the most difficult area to master in the motion swing. By watching real life pro golfers we determined that the ideal timing of the downswing in our motion swing should be 4 times that of the backswing. So for example if it takes you a second to swing to the top of your backswing, it should take you a quarter of a second to swing down and through the ball. If you time the swing correctly the clubface will be delivered on target. If you swing down too fast, the clubface will be pointed left and the ball will tend to start in that direction and vice versa if your downswing is too slow in relation to your backswing the ball will start right of target.

 

I was not telling you how fast you should swing, I was trying to tell you how the swing timing functions in PG since you have an obvious misconception about it as per your posts.  I have no problem working the ball in PG, it just takes practice and an understanding of this games' swing fundamentals.  

 

I used to play "the other game" as well and could work the ball in that game, too.  And yes, you have to swing faster in that game.

[Buck]

Joe Habiger, on 09 Jul 2015 - 12:44 PM, said:

WRONG...

 

...please do not tell me how fast I should swing.

 

Easy!  I was not telling you "what to do" - I'm simply sharing the *facts* of how the MS works (according to the developers)

 

Might be worth bringing up with Devs if you don't believe it's actually doing what they say it's designed to do?

[trailblazergolf]

my goodness--glad to see this come up !!---I have that topping prob to--more on some courses than others--some I neva top the ball--?

understand that that is just part of real golf --BUT--- it seems as if when i'm just a hair off an  exelant  swing I will top the ball very bad-?-a 30ft roll--don't think that is real golf--maybe should progress at least 75 to 100 yrds  now a sever top I can understand a 30ft roll--must add I have owned this game from day one and work very hard on my m-swing--but i'm loving this game and looking foeward to the day when I can motion swing without being confined to a circle like I did in links

[Fistful of Steel]

Yeah I think they need to change that 10-15 yard dribble forward if your swing is too slow. It doesn't really happen once you get used too MS but just because your swing is slow the ball isn't going to dribble forward like it does now. I think it should be a shank but I think  the ball should actually go further than just dribbling forward  - a worm burner perhaps.

[mebby]

I only top the ball when I get caught trying to be super precise in my distance control on the backswing.

 

I'm still playing around with my setup to figure out what I like best.  One night I had the MS Sensitivity set to 1.8 or so and I was really in a groove.  I found that the longer mouse movements required with this setting allowed me to better control my tempo.  But then the next day I wasn't able to get comfortable and I found myself backing the sensitivity back down towards 1.0.

 

I play without any assists though so any flaws in my swing are readily apparent.