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[spy88]

I know from actual golf experience that if you have a level putt of 10' with a right to left break and a stimp of 8/9, your ball won't break as much as it would if it were a 13/14 stimp.  Yet it has been my experience with PG that it appears  to me as if regardless of the stimp, the break is the same.  

 

For the devs...am I correct or is the physics for the break and different stimps in place and I'm just not noticing it? 

[JoeF]

You must not be noticing it as I definitely notice the difference in break for different stimp settings.  The difference in lower stimp settings is relatively small but it becomes more noticeable as you hit the higher stimp settings.  I have my own "rule of thumb" that I use to adjust break and it seems to work pretty consistently.  I end up adjusting the "fall line" by several inches or more on higher stimp settings.  

[mebby]

I agree with Joe. I definitely notice a difference in break on different stimp settings.

[Justin9926]

JoeF, on 06 Sept 2015 - 3:43 PM, said:

You must not be noticing it as I definitely notice the difference in break for different stimp settings.  The difference in lower stimp settings is relatively small but it becomes more noticeable as you hit the higher stimp settings.  I have my own "rule of thumb" that I use to adjust break and it seems to work pretty consistently.  I end up adjusting the "fall line" by several inches or more on higher stimp settings.  

+1

[Golden Bear]

I agree with Joe too.  Much more break on high stimp.

[Greensboronclion]

I have alway had a rule of thumb for break in a putt in real golf and that is that a slow green will not break as much as a fast green. If your paying real golf and the greens are wet or just fuzzy late in the day and are rolling slow you always seem to read more break and most golfers miss on the high or Amateur side. When you play a real fast green most people miss on the low or Pro side of the cup. It's just physics as a round object will fall faster on a harder surface to the low side and the opposite on a slower surface. For that reason I don't see what we have as a problem but that is just me an my own opinion.

[tlvx]

I've found the fast greens to actually break less, when hitting a putt with the same power.

 

It makes sense, though.

 

Slower Putt = More Break

Faster Putt = Less Break

 

It's all relative.

[Greensboronclion]

tlvx, on 07 Sept 2015 - 01:58 AM, said:

I've found the fast greens to actually break less, when hitting a putt with the same power.
 
It makes sense, though.
 
Slower Putt = More Break
Faster Putt = Less Break
 
It's all relative.

It would be just the opposite as you would not hit a putt of the same distance as hard on a faster green as you did on the slower green. If you did you would have quite a few three putts and three putting is a staple of the Sunday golfer. Not trying to be a smart Alec or anything but that is the biggest problem with the high handicap golfer as they hit every putt the same and don't adjust for the speed of the green. This game is no different in that if you have a 20 ft putt and your stomp is 9 you have to hit a lot harder than if the stump was 12.

[tlvx]

Greensboronclion, on 07 Sept 2015 - 02:27 AM, said:

It would be just the opposite as you would not hit a putt of the same distance as hard on a faster green as you did on the slower green. If you did you would have quite a few three putts and three putting is a staple of the Sunday golfer. Not trying to be a smart Alec or anything but that is the biggest problem with the high handicap golfer as they hit every putt the same and don't adjust for the speed of the green. This game is no different in that if you have a 20 ft putt and your stomp is 9 you have to hit a lot harder than if the stump was 12.

 

Okay... Let's try this again.

 

Slower Putt = More Break. Meaning, a ball traveling at a slower velocity, takes more of the break, and turns more.

 

Faster Putt = Less Break. Meaning, a ball traveling at a faster velocity, takes less of the break, and turns less.

 

Therefore, if a player has a 30 foot putt, with 2 cups of break, and hits it 2 cups outside, at 50 percent power, on stimp 10... the putt goes in.

 

If the player - now on stimp 12 - hits the same 30 foot putt, at 50 percent power, on the same line... they will now miss outside the hole; because the putt will be traveling faster - right through the break.

 

So, in order for the putt to take the same break, on a higher stimp... the player has to hit the putt with slightly less power.

 

The speed, break, and line... are all relative.

 

Putting on a slower green appears to impart less break, because a player has to launch the ball harder and faster, to get it to the hole.

 

Conversely, putting on a faster green, appears to impart more break, because a player launches a ball with less power and less speed, which allows a putt to take more break.

 

But, in the end... the differences are specific to what they are, each being relative to the next.

 

The slower green requires more power. The faster green requires less power. A putt hit with the same power on the fast green... breaks less.

 

The difference is purely the power requirement, not the line. A 5 percent faster green, should require 5 percent less power, to travel on the exact same line.

[Greensboronclion]

tlvx, on 07 Sept 2015 - 04:20 AM, said:

Okay... Let's try this again.
 
Slower Putt = More Break. Meaning, a ball traveling at a slower velocity, takes more of the break, and turns more.
 
Faster Putt = Less Break. Meaning, a ball traveling at a faster velocity, takes less of the break, and turns less.
 
Therefore, if a player has a 30 foot putt, with 2 cups of break, and hits it 2 cups outside, at 50 percent power, on stimp 10... the putt goes in.
 
If the player - now on stimp 12 - hits the same 30 foot putt, at 50 percent power, on the same line... they will now miss outside the hole; because the putt will be traveling faster - right through the break.
 
So, in order for the putt to take the same break, on a higher stimp... the player has to hit the putt with slightly less power.
 
The speed, break, and line... are all relative.
 
Putting on a slower green appears to impart less break, because a player has to launch the ball harder and faster, to get it to the hole.
 
Conversely, putting on a faster green, appears to impart more break, because a player launches a ball with less power and less speed, which allows a putt to take more break.
 
But, in the end... the differences are specific to what they are, each being relative to the next.
 
The slower green requires more power. The faster green requires less power. A putt hit with the same power on the fast green... breaks less.
 
The difference is purely the power requirement, not the line. A 5 percent faster green, should require 5 percent less power, to travel on the exact same line.

Couldn't have said it better myself and I apologize as I didn't get the same power on both putts in the beginning. For the record I hate slow greens and prefer a faster surface as slow greens in my opinion never roll true.

[highfade]

Greensboronclion, on 07 Sept 2015 - 12:44 PM, said:

Couldn't have said it better myself and I apologize as I didn't get the same power on both putts in the beginning. For the record I hate slow greens and prefer a faster surface as slow greens in my opinion never roll true.

 

Me too, almost always play on 14 stimp but even on 14 you don't really feel scared by the putting?  maybe add a 15...

[Armand]

I'm terrified of putting even at a stimp of 12 (I normally use the faster settings myself), but I normally don't use any aids and am almost always trying to lag putts unless they are within a few feet.

[mebby]

I just played a few rounds at a stimp of 14 and absolutely loved it! Think that will be me go to from now on. The putts seem to roll so true! Beautiful. Challenging but fun!

[frank70]

mebby, on 07 Sept 2015 - 10:47 PM, said:

I just played a few rounds at a stimp of 14 and absolutely loved it! Think that will be me go to from now on. The putts seem to roll so true! Beautiful. Challenging but fun!

Yeah, i think 14 is comparable to normal stimp settings on the Tour. We could use even faster stimp settings in the game when we like to set up a game that compares to greens like at Augusta or at the US Open.

[mebby]

frank70, on 08 Sept 2015 - 06:12 AM, said:

Yeah, i think 14 is comparable to normal stimp settings on the Tour. We could use even faster stimp settings in the game when we like to set up a game that compares to greens like at Augusta or at the US Open.

Agreed - I don't think 14 is quite as fast as Augusta. 

[bortimus]

I'll be curious to see how the firmess settings affect the overall speed of the greens.

In Links, since the fairway firmness also applied to the greens, the speeds changed when fairway conditions changed.

Not sure if PG will keep greens and fairway conditions separate

[frank70]

bortimus, on 08 Sept 2015 - 3:52 PM, said:

Not sure if PG will keep greens and fairway conditions separate

 

They should. It's possible to set up greens and fairways differently in real life. So we should have the option in the game as well.

[spy88]

mebby, on 08 Sept 2015 - 2:54 PM, said:

Agreed - I don't think 14 is quite as fast as Augusta. 

It's my own opinion that Augusta is probably a 12/13 for the Masters...it's not a matter of increasing the stimp here, it's increasing what the effect for a 12/13 stimp putt in the game reacts to.

 

Also, as per my OP, I did  verify that there is a difference in break amounts for the same putt at different stimps.  Minor IMO but there.