Nice to see some old friends from TW and Links, Rehit used to scare me lol, with the avatar he used as a Links admin, Mike Jones is personafied as the greatest course designer of all time, he should I guess after all he is a real Tour Pro Golfer, and no doubt has seen and played on many of the greatest courses on the planet, Links APCD was something I never come to grips with, for some reason I never put enough time into learning it, Like a number of fellow TW Golfers in this thread, I have used the Terrain Assist and collected ortho's to create quite a few courses through the years, mostly of the real course as accuratley as possible, of course the CA has many limitations, which the APCD did not, one of them was the ability to create a bunker without desturbing the mesh surrounding the green, greatest drawback of course was the 2D, compared to the 3D found in TW, unfortunatley, TW08 was the best version and the last, although I would say the water movement in the earlier versions with a bit of wind looked much better, and one could actually create their own plant set in very early versions, as the Legendary Jimbo 64 version created. I with many beta tested TWO, until I realized, I was wasting my time, trying to convince EA that Kiddie versions of a golf game was never going to catch on, and the fact they just didn't want to listen, all they were interested in was getting your money for that piece of rubbish, I joined this forum because I have friends here I have known for years, but mainly because of the Admins, who have been part of Links for years and I know that what they are doing, regardless if any of us get to Beta test or not, are going to get a serious Golf sim and not some stupid Golf game for kiddies with 24 under for 18 holes bulldust, I have been a part of the CGX as a admin and a expert player since the old PGAX started and am deeply concerned that since the site has been down for almost a week, and the owner hasn't been seen onsite for quite some time that my beloved 2nd home might be gone forever, I to have tons of time on my hands being on a disability pension and would love to be part of the testing team but I am not worried, I bought all of Mike Jones courses when I played Links and even in 2D marvelled at his expertise, as I did with Andrew Jones, Rehit and many others, mind you Links wasn't all 2D, Regardless the courses gave you the feel of not only playing the course, but actually being on the course, as did Augusta and many fine courses such as St Andrews and Kingsbarn which I played recently at the CGX, Indeed the original PGAX and later CGX, created many great courses by the Legendary design team, I played 3 click for years, but went to True Swing, as it was the only swing that truly followed the real golfer swing physics and I am hoping this will be implemented when the testers finish their testing and are ready to put out the finished product.