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[jimbob59]

For those that don't  visit STEAM 2 posts of interest

 

Update 1.4.0.4    

DLC  and Future Content of JNPG  

  

 http://steamcommunity.com/app/288140/

[JoeBradley]

Excellent, succinct explanation of development plans.

[Acrilix]

The **** will really hit the fan the day people lose the ability to play their user courses.

[Dazmaniac]

The **** will really hit the fan the day people lose the ability to play their user courses.

Where did it say they would? Have I missed something?

[Acrilix]

Where did it say they would?

 

"Milestone updates to the game with significant user functionality changes will be paid DLC and will be considered an upgrade to the game for the purposes of continuing access User Courses"

 

"Those choosing to not keep the game up to date with the new DLC will continue to be able to use Perfect Golf with all the content they have purchased or we have released as free DLC or was included with the game but user courses will no longer work with older versions of the game."

[Brendan]

I have no problem with this, great game at a very reasonable price. For one I want to see the game continue to develop, that I suppose will cost money.

I do agree that things will kick off when this happens, I hope they don't though.

[Acrilix]

The issue I have with this is that I designed my Abbotsley course for this game, not some future deluxe version that may appear, but if I don't purchase this future version I will be unable to play my own course!!

[Brendan]

I see your point, great course, thank you.

I am personally happy to continue to contribute to the development of the game. I would be of the view that you have already made that contribution.

[Modman1]

How many versions of Tiger Woods are there?  Didn't you have to buy a new version if you wanted to have the latest improvements?  I think PG is trying to keep the costs down but this is a business and you don't stay in business without $.  

[clubcaptain]

I'm more than happy to purchase as much DLC as possible but there may well come a time when I just don't fancy a particular upgrade so I'll let it pass. Maybe it will be something I'll never use. This isn't rocket science. As consumers we make choices every day - usually without comeback.

 

But here the consequences of "letting it pass" will be that I will not be able to play any user created courses. No thanks. I won't go with this. As soon as this happens I'll be out of the game. User created  courses will remain the backbone of organised tournament play. I would be excluded from those tournaments in which case I have no interest in playing.

 

To be honest I'd rather have a choice on everything without penalty even to the point of paying for user created courses. Let's say there are 60 or so such courses at the moment. I might feel that only 50% are worth paying for. I'll gladly do that and have no penalty. Likewise I want to purchase upgrades or not, with no penalty.

[Acrilix]

How many versions of Tiger Woods are there?  Didn't you have to buy a new version if you wanted to have the latest improvements?  I think PG is trying to keep the costs down but this is a business and you don't stay in business without $.  

 

This is not the same at all. If you had an old version of TW you could still use it after the new version came out to play your old courses on. With JNPG this is not going to be possible. Once the paid update comes, if you don't pay you will lose every user course you have acquired/created.

[flyer01]

"Milestone updates to the game with significant user functionality changes will be paid DLC and will be considered an upgrade to the game for the purposes of continuing access User Courses"

 

"Those choosing to not keep the game up to date with the new DLC will continue to be able to use Perfect Golf with all the content they have purchased or we have released as free DLC or was included with the game but user courses will no longer work with older versions of the game."

Hmmmm....I wonder if these paid DLC's will come about once a month and cost around 5 bucks... LOL..... sorry, couldn't resist.

[MimicPS]

If it is going to keep the course designers in the game, and they have no interest in paying for access to the game through DLC, then maybe it will mean that those with that particular philosophy will either have to charge a small fee to cover their own DLC or rely on benevolent benefactors to buy their future access for them.

 

Not ideal I know, but we never saw any resolution of the fact that the monthly pass was planned to aid continued development when the issue raised its head before, and DLC in all its forms, both licensed courses and future game evolution, need to be funded. Even with PP's range of product (game, broadcast suite, course visualization) and separate income sources from them, if I was steering the company it would seem wrong for the game to ride on the backs of other pillars of the company rather than at least stand on its own balance sheet or even help to fund the company in its more 'niche' areas where content produced helped to fuel the game's development.

[robbiet71]

Is it perhaps for a technical reason that older courses might not run on significant future updates?

I don't think the devs are aiming to deliberately force people to update with the threat/consequence of not being able to play their or others creations. Isn't it more likely that future updates might make older courses incompatible with the game?

After all, all the people who like the game and play it regularly are very likely to pay for DLC and significant updates without it being a requirement to play user creations. Seriously, fans of this game will buy DLC if it is of the quality that has been shown throughout the development of this game. I don't think PP need to worry about that at all. So we don't need carrots or threats/consequences.

I do feel the wording of the statement will cause some of those 'on the fence' people who haven't yet bought into the values of this game to take a negative view. Just my opinion.

[Dazmaniac]

All folks can do now is speculate and make their own assumption of what it all means.

To some it might seem as Season Pass in a different dress. At first glance this is what I take from the communication, but I'm happy to hang fire and see exactly what it all entails before I rule myself out of supporting PP and their future DLC.

[Acrilix]

To some it might seem as Season Pass in a different dress.

 

Exactly, and it's sad to see the worst part of the Season Pass being resurrected in another form.

[Crow357]

Exactly, and it's sad to see the worst part of the Season Pass being resurrected in another form.

No.  No it's not.  There must be ongoing support for the game to survive.  Bottom line.  If you choose not to participate, that's fine, but I want to play year after year and more than just the default courses till my eyes bleed.

[Acrilix]

Removing free user courses from people unless they pay is not the way to get ongoing support.

It is ethically wrong.

It was wrong to try to use free courses to make people purchase a season pass, and it is still wrong to use free courses to make people purchase a DLC update.

[Ron Piskorik]

"Those choosing to not keep the game up to date with the new DLC will continue to be able to use Perfect Golf with all the content they have purchased or we have released as free DLC or was included with the game but user courses will no longer work with older versions of the game."

 

The way this is worded I take it that if we don't keep our game up to date with the latest purchased DLC, we will be losing something that we already have paid for.  I am hoping that this is just poorly worded.  We should be able to play all the user created courses that were compatible with the last version that we purchased.  Why should I have to purchase a new version with a career mode if I will never use the career mode just to keep playing the user courses that I already have?

 

I think we need a clarification from the developers.

 

If we don't update to the latest paid DLC version of the game, will we not be able to play any user courses with the version we are currently using?

 

If the answer is yes, I hope that PP will consider not doing this.  I am hoping that they don't intend to do this and have not thought about all the negative implications of taking away something that we have already paid for.

[MimicPS]

Have you paid for user courses? I wasn't aware that anyone was charging for them.

 

So far as them making updates to the game, there is no reason to suppose that courses would continue to be backwards-compatible. They are, after all, providing the tool to create the courses and the environment in which they can be played, and the 'environment' may change significantly with future updates. To ensure PP are in the position to do so, and to bring further improvements and features, is needing a structured model of funding development, and the funding is coming from a way of continuing to keep the game moving forward. It is either that, or watch it wither on the vine for lack of revenue to drive it onwards.