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[bortimus]

How do I properly mark the hazard for a true island green with no connecting land?  I'm using a small bridge to connect the fairway to the green (water flows underneath the bridge).  

 

Maybe I'm overlooking something obvious, but it seems there will be a section of water left unmarked the way the current hazard spline system works.  

 

I'm guessing just get the splines as close as possible under the bridge and hope no one lands in the unmarked area?   

[bortimus]

For clarification and a visual, I'm referring to this situation:

 

Maybe it would be better to have the unmarked section behind the green since that's the least likely hazard entry point.

[Crow357]

Well, I would create the hazard line as if there was a pixel wide land bridge between the green and mainland.  Then drag the control points of the hazard line such that the hazard lines end up on top of each other over that proverbial pixel wide land bridge.

[StoneComet]

What happens if you leave out the hazard splines completely? Does the game still make determinations when the ball ends up in the drink? I've often wondered this?

 

SC 

[bortimus]

SC,

If the waterplane is properly set to a water material, the game recognizes it as a hazard but it doesn't have proper drop options available because it's unmarked.

I'm not at my PC right now so I can't tell you specifically how the game will determine the next shot.

[Kablammo11]

Bortimus, can you provide me with a high areal view looking down on your problem island, including the fairway? I will gladly draw in a possible hazard line to deal with your situation.

Or try and remember that:

1. Water hazard splines can overlap
2. Lateral hazard splines should have two regular water hazard segments enclosed

 

...and do some puzzle solving. It's a bit like a mini-game inside CF to find out the best possible route of the hazard lines.

[Crow357]

Without proper hazard lines, you'd prolly only have a Rehit option and an 1100 yard drop option.  Just a guess tho.  I've never tested it.

[bortimus]

Ok I'll post an overhead shot later of the lakeside holes and see where you think the best markings would be.

[StoneComet]

Bortimus, can you provide me with a high areal view looking down on your problem island, including the fairway? I will gladly draw in a possible hazard line to deal with your situation.

Or try and remember that:

1. Water hazard splines can overlap
2. Lateral hazard splines should have two regular water hazard segments enclosed

 

...and do some puzzle solving. It's a bit like a mini-game inside CF to find out the best possible route of the hazard lines.

 

 

Hi K11,

 

Anyway you could post an example of #2 that I highlighted when you get the time. I get that hazard splines can overlap any other spline but I am unsure of what you mean by the comment about having two regular water hazard splines within all lateral hazard splines?

 

Thanks to everyone else for their replies.

 

SC   

[Mike Jones]

StoneComet - "Anyway you could post an example of #2 that I highlighted when you get the time. I get that hazard splines can overlap any other spline but I am unsure of what you mean by the comment about having two regular water hazard splines within all lateral hazard splines?"

 

2.23 onwards will explain what K11 is talking about.

 

[StoneComet]

I did watch that one I just forgot about the two yellow splitters.

 

Thanks again!

 

SC 

[bortimus]

Here's an overhead shot of the lakefront holes.  Any ideas on the best way to mark the hazards? 

 

[Kablammo11]

Keeping in mind that red means lateral and yellow stands for regular water, also keeping in mind that there are endless possibilities to arrange the hazard and mine is not necessarily the right one, I would suggest you draw 3 hazard splines.

 

The first:

 

 

Since in this case dropping a lateral water ball on the other side of the lake is not feasible, you can make all of the underwater parts spline yellow. This will force lateral drops to be available on one side of the water plane. The game determines which kind of hazard comes into play by the point where a ball crosses the outer line, same as IRL.

The second spline:

 

 

Harzard splines can overlap, others and also themselves. Just build in a little loop to exclude the island green. 3rd Spline:

 

 

Like this. Again, you can draw 10 splines instead of 3 if you want to differentiate more accurately between laterals and regulars. Start drawing these splines as lateral hazards, then change their colour to yellow.

You think you're done? You're not. Now you also need a WHITE O.B line as well.

 

 

You could extend all your water splines to reach the distant shore (which probably is the outside of the golf course). Myself, at least on large bodies of water or oceans, I prefer to use the outer O.B to come in closer and supersede the water hazard wherever a golfer can not reasonably hit his ball to even with a gross mishit. Any ball outside the white line will be given O.B. and incur a Rehit (Same as hitting into a water hazard.)

There are many ways to set up these hazards. Personally, I really dislike drawing them, because they require considerable time, patience and a lot of precise attention to detail. They are chores, no two ways about that. But it's part of my job.

[bortimus]

Many thanks K11.  Very helpful. 

[jspirate]

Sorry for reviving an old topic, but I can't seem get my hazards set correctly!

In the picture below, if I hit the ball over the green and into the water, it drops me on the side of the cliffs behind the green (right-bottom side of pic).  How do I define it so that it takes me back over to the other side of the green (left-top side in the pic).

Thanks for any help you can provide!

[Sinewiz]

On the course I'm currently working on the backside of the green I have defined as a lateral water hazard (red) that way if you land on the green then carry off the backside you'll get a drop from the back of the green.

[jspirate]

On the course I'm currently working on the backside of the green I have defined as a lateral water hazard (red) that way if you land on the green then carry off the backside you'll get a drop from the back of the green.

That makes sense and I will make that change.

My original problem happens when I hit the ball directly into the water (after flying over the green).   Maybe I should move the OB line up to the green?  Than again, if I do that, then I will lose the benefit the lateral hazard that you describe?  Hmmm...

[Sinewiz]

Sorry its seems I misunderstood your problem. Read more carefully and feel your frustration. Not unusual in my opinion to be given some strange drop options.

[jt83]

If you're overlapping hazards, how does the game know what to do in the area that's both lateral and normal water?

[Armand]

Do you only get the one drop option?  I'm guessing since that is the closest drop area, that is the first one presented to you.  I would hope that if you scroll through the options, you might get the 2nd option you're looking for, but maybe not ......

 

I wonder if making the hazard all lateral would help?  Or maybe all regular water hazard (yellow)?  As you might tell, I'm guessing!