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[IanK]

Greensboronclion, on 12 Mar 2015 - 6:17 PM, said:

Not trying to be smart Alec but your wrong on hitting a real golf ball. I can tell you you can take your backswing at a real slow pace and follow thru at same pace and hit the ball 150 yards plus every time. I practice sometimes on just standing on my right leg and with my left leg lifted to just keep my balance and complete the swing on one leg and hit the ball 150 yards not swinging hard at all. The golf swing is not about swinging out of your shoes but about tempo and the good players have a nice easy smooth swing and if you want proof Google a video of Ernie Els and you will see why they call him the big easy. Hitting a golf ball isn't and shouldn't be a violent motion and neither is this game.

That is just nonsense. Of course you accelerate into impact. Where did I say that it should be a violent motion?

[Buck]

Knighters, on 12 Mar 2015 - 7:49 PM, said:

That is just nonsense. Of course you accelerate into impact. Where did I say that it should be a violent motion?

 

I may have said it somewhere - Didn't mean to insinuate that you felt that way, my apologies.  :-(

[IanK]

TurbineSeaplane, on 12 Mar 2015 - 6:35 PM, said:

Yeah I just think that maybe the previous golf games have conditioned us to think that you have to wildly accelerate through the downswing.
In real life it can feel like you're wildly accelerating because of the big change between the backswing and downswing but once you initiate the downswing a nice smooth motion that is faster than the backswing seems to be correct.
That's exactly what they've accounted for with the 1:4 ratio I think.
There's definitely a difference between a downswing that's faster than the backswing and the entire concept of constant acceleration of the downswing.
I guess ultimately I don't understand why they can't allow people to set a custom ratio that they like and perhaps that would help? (Not sensitivity but the ratio itself)

I am happy to agree with you most of the time turbine but where did I say that you have to wildly accelerate through the downswing?

[Buck]

Knighters, on 12 Mar 2015 - 7:51 PM, said:

I am happy to agree with you most of the time turbine but where did I say that you have to wildly accelerate through the downswing?

 

We were typing at the same time - See above.

You never said violent, I misinterpreted things that way - Apologies

[IanK]

Please no apologies needed. We are all after the same thing in the end.

[Greensboronclion]

Knighters, on 12 Mar 2015 - 7:51 PM, said:

I am happy to agree with you most of the time turbine but where did I say that you have to wildly accelerate through the downswing?

First off I said I wasn't being being a smart Alec cause I didn't want you to think I was saying something bad as that was not the intent and if it offended you please understand it was not the intent. I was going of your comment that you accelerate thru the swing and just pointing out you don't need to change the pace of your swing to hit the ball a good distance. It's all good my friend as th MS is not for everyone and some will want to play 3C and that is good as the only thing that matters is that we are playing. Personally I like MS and think 3C might be harder in the end as it is much more jumpy than links is.

[Crow357]

Has anyone timed a swing in this game? I was reading a golf site on this topic earlier and they said most pros take about 1 second to perform a golf swing. About .75 seconds for the backswing and .25 seconds for the downswing.

[Buck]

I wonder also if the swing "dot" moving up in the backswing could be less linear as you approach the top position?

 

It seems like it would be a good approximation of a real swing if as the dot got closer to the 12 o'clock position the movement for a given amount of mouse movement would be less.  That's what stopping us from back-swinging faster to then create a more accelerated downswing.  Just becomes really tough to nail the power at the top of the backswing

 

Maybe that helps replicate the deceleration of the backswing as you near the top in real life and transition to the downswing?

[blueblood1995]

TurbineSeaplane, on 12 Mar 2015 - 9:07 PM, said:

I wonder also if the swing "dot" moving up in the backswing could be less linear as you approach the top position?

 

It seems like it would be a good approximation of a real swing if as the dot got closer to the 12 o'clock position the movement for a given amount of mouse movement would be less.  That's what stopping us from back-swinging faster to then create a more accelerated downswing.  Just becomes really tough to nail the power at the top of the backswing

 

Maybe that helps replicate the deceleration of the backswing as you near the top in real life and transition to the downswing?

I like that idea! Your suggestion would indeed mimic the acceleration/deceleration of golf swing. Interesting concept...

[Buck]

blueblood1995, on 12 Mar 2015 - 11:33 PM, said:

I like that idea! Your suggestion would indeed mimic the acceleration/deceleration of golf swing. Interesting concept...

Glad you like it!

The more and more I think about it...it makes perfect sense that it's a bit harder and "springier" at the top end of the power scale. If you think of the effort and motion in real life to get from 0 (lined up with ball) to 100% (top of backswing), it does require a bit more posture compression the closer you get to 100% and certainly for anything beyond an over-swing (really reaching for it to get the backswing past the top).

Maybe I'm not explaining it well, but it "feels right" in my head for some reason.


Do others agree at all?
Perhaps I'll just get shot down like a duck in the hunting grounds - who knows. :-)

[blueblood1995]

I think a golf sim specific mouse should be developed as the next step for complete immersion, i.e. one which is integrated with the swing meter where more "resistance" is felt the closer you get to the top of the swing and less at the bottom of the swing.

Like a "rumble" effect when playing with a handheld console unit.

Now that would be interesting wouldn't it?

[Buck]

blueblood1995, on 13 Mar 2015 - 01:53 AM, said:

I think a golf sim specific mouse should be developed as the next step for complete immersion, i.e. one which is integrated with the swing meter where more "resistance" is felt the closer you get to the top of the swing and less at the bottom of the swing.
Like a "rumble" effect when playing with a handheld console unit.
Now that would be interesting wouldn't it?

SUPER idea - That would be *so* cool

[Stephen Sullivan]

blueblood1995, on 13 Mar 2015 - 01:53 AM, said:

I think a golf sim specific mouse should be developed as the next step for complete immersion, i.e. one which is integrated with the swing meter where more "resistance" is felt the closer you get to the top of the swing and less at the bottom of the swing.

 

I get this feeling of "resistance" when playing powerstroke in Links, especially if I anchor my wrist, so I sort of understand what you are saying. 

[TheOtherRick]

Crow357, on 12 Mar 2015 - 9:02 PM, said:

Has anyone timed a swing in this game? I was reading a golf site on this topic earlier and they said most pros take about 1 second to perform a golf swing. About .75 seconds for the backswing and .25 seconds for the downswing.

 

Hmmm...this would imply a 3:1 ratio rather than the current 4:1. Not that it matters to me because I am a 3C guy...just an observation.

[#GCW]

really like the idea of stiffer shafts changing the ideal ratio etc..  I absolutely love the motion swing and the depth of it as it is - but I really would like the ability to set it at 5:1, I'm around the .20 mark a lot more than the .30 mark.

 

keep up the great work guys.

[trailblazergolf]

1st I want to thank you ted ball for directing me to this link---I have read everything I can concerning this swing--and will absorb all the cool things said here !-- yes, I have been through all the trials and tribs you guys talk about here--and I am diffantly hitting the ball better

  now here comes the however--it's not good--I still spray balls around more than I shud--I was hitting with Justin the other day and we did a lot of chatting as we play--( he's a good motion swinger ) after going through everything  a lot of my probs may be on the mouse im using , I do not get a smooth motion with it - I'm using an optical mouse now--he suggested a lazzer mouse because switching to one help him out a lot--so  I ordered a Logitech  505-- I think that's wat its called--im hopeing next time im back here--i'll have  progress report filled with good news

      great info guys !!!!!!

[Fairwayman]

trailblazergolf, on 26 Apr 2015 - 3:12 PM, said:

1st I want to thank you ted ball for directing me to this link---I have read everything I can concerning this swing--and will absorb all the cool things said here !-- yes, I have been through all the trials and tribs you guys talk about here--and I am diffantly hitting the ball better
now here comes the however--it's not good--I still spray balls around more than I shud--I was hitting with Justin the other day and we did a lot of chatting as we play--( he's a good motion swinger ) after going through everything a lot of my probs may be on the mouse im using , I do not get a smooth motion with it - I'm using an optical mouse now--he suggested a lazzer mouse because switching to one help him out a lot--so I ordered a Logitech 505-- I think that's wat its called--im hopeing next time im back here--i'll have progress report filled with good news
great info guys !!!!!!

⛳️Nice mouse neighbor has it.I helped him tweak it so he has a better smoothness feel he too a 12 yr RTS guy.............old faithful here Logi MXcorded 518.....Sweet smoothness⛳️

[Armand]

I used to use a wireless Bluetooth mouse (LED) when I got my new computer, and struggled a fair bit with it.  I tried a corded mouse (laser) and it seemed to turn the corner for me.  I'm now shooting in the 80s rather than in triple digits or high 90s.  At some point, I may switch back to Bluetooth mouse to see how much difference the mouse makes or whether it's just my skills that have improved (I'm now up to 52 hours in the game!).

[trailblazergolf]

in reading what ted ball said--he said he concentrates on pulling his pointer down to 6:00 and not pay attention to the top --well I got a prob there - when pushing my pointer up and I stop to bring down  the hit has begun---in other words there is no bringing down the pointer to 6:00 --do I have a problem  or did I misunderstand what ted said ????

  think I mis -spoke--when pulling my pointer down to 6:00 that pushes the meter up to a power point--then I start my push up to the point where swing is activated don't see any other way to swing --am in missing something ?????

[JoeF]

trailblazergolf, on 26 Apr 2015 - 7:39 PM, said:

in reading what ted ball said--he said he concentrates on pulling his pointer down to 6:00 and not pay attention to the top --well I got a prob there - when pushing my pointer up and I stop to bring down  the hit has begun---in other words there is no bringing down the pointer to 6:00 --do I have a problem  or did I misunderstand what ted said ????

  think I mis -spoke--when pulling my pointer down to 6:00 that pushes the meter up to a power point--then I start my push up to the point where swing is activated don't see any other way to swing --am in missing something ?????

 

No, you've got it right.  I start my backswing with my mouse pointer at the 12:00 position on the meter, pull back towards the 6:00 mark until the power arrow is where I want it and then push forward and through the 12:00 point  (or as close to it as I can) on my downswing.