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[mebby]

I do not understand why threads are always being locked when certain topics are being discussed. Why can't we have an open debate? Why lock a thread when people are being civil and engaging in open debate?

Sorry... Just doesn't make sense to me.

[Tigers Agent]

I do not understand why threads are always being locked when certain topics are being discussed. Why can't we have an open debate? Why lock a thread when people are being civil and engaging in open debate?

Sorry... Just doesn't make sense to me.

because big heads will always prevail.

[IanK]

I assume you are talking about the backspin thread? Personally, I think both sides argued to the point of stalemate and I don't think that there was much more to be said. It was bordering on uncivil at times.

[mebby]

I don't think so. I think we were getting to the point of showing multiple scenarios so that we could all test out the physics.

There was only one side showing video evidence and trying to make points based on data rather than simply saying it's right because the developers say so.

[mebby]

And this isn't the first time. I just don't understand the point of stiffling debate. If you want these topics to be laid to rest then let the discussion play out.

[Crusher]

Redundancy is a main reason for closing a topic. One person has a great idea and another person rewords it. We see this over and over and over...

 

I agree with Ian on his point as well.

[Richard]

I assume you are talking about the backspin thread? Personally, I think both sides argued to the point of stalemate and I don't think that there was much more to be said. It was bordering on uncivil at times.

 

Not to worry, It has been resurrected over on the Steam forum.

[lefty1948]

I hit an 8 iron the other day on a par 3 and got 27ft. of backspin.

So I checked where the ball landed and where it came to rest.

The landing point was 12 inches higher  than where it came to rest.

So, I am assuming that this would indicate that Mike was correct.

Oh ya, I hit it at 120% power with a good snap.

[Mike Jones]

Lets not turn this into another spin thread please, I think we have debated that to death.

[IanK]

If the poster considers it to be a bug why keep hitting shots at 122% if he knows what the outcome will be? Just accept this is what may happen, adjust your game accordingly and move on!

[mebby]

Ian, I do agree with that statement. But I think the purpose of hitting that shot was to open up a debate as to whether the physics on this sort of shot needs to be revisited.

[Mike Jones]

We are currently working on re-adding the firm and soft settings to the fairways and greens. To be honest IRL every square inch of every part of closely mown turf on a real course is slightly different anyway. Golf is not an entirely fair game and very small changes can tip the balance between a ball that releases and spins. That's why someone who has nearly won 4 majors this yeah can suddenly shoot 7 over par. Golf is unpredictable!

 

We are using real world data and equations as to how the ground compresses and affects the speed and spin of the ball so it's not a 'canned' shot and there is no pre-ordained set of circumstances where a ball will spin or not, it's all down to the real time physics.

[Mike Jones]

oops did I just turn this into another spin thread? Silly me 

[axe360]

oops did I just turn this into another spin thread? Silly me 

 

No, I think your showing that you are more than willing to listen...

[J.H.Buchanan]

I have to report to my moms today and do some grilling out - Happy Labor Day  yall - she says too it gets dark out on the deck she doesn't want to change out the dead light bulb or even turn it on cause it waste's electricity but then she is concerned someone may be standing outside of her deck next to the sliding glass window and she won't be able to see them [all this concern and she lives in a gated community what are the odds someone is gong to be out on that deck]  so I got her a solar powered light that snaps onto her gutter above the deck so now she will have light for free.         I just thought of something  !!!! ....will we be able to design a golf course in course forge wherein it will be pitch black darkness but we can put lights on the course so we can play at night.  ???

[Mulligan]

Many closed threads are already cleaned up by the mods when you get there, otherwise you'd see exactly why it's been locked.

[mebby]

We are currently working on re-adding the firm and soft settings to the fairways and greens. To be honest IRL every square inch of every part of closely mown turf on a real course is slightly different anyway. Golf is not an entirely fair game and very small changes can tip the balance between a ball that releases and spins. That's why someone who has nearly won 4 majors this yeah can suddenly shoot 7 over par. Golf is unpredictable!

We are using real world data and equations as to how the ground compresses and affects the speed and spin of the ball so it's not a 'canned' shot and there is no pre-ordained set of circumstances where a ball will spin or not, it's all down to the real time physics.

OK. I can appreciate that the shot isn't predetermined. This is great. Two things I don't quite follow that I'd appreciate your view on:

1 - I posted a video in the spin thread that I created. At one point it showed a 100% wedge backing up 10 yards or so. Makes sense to me. But the. A 99% shot didn't back up at all. I know that things are perfectly linear but I would've expected a little back up on that shot. Why is the change so sudden?

2 - A 122% 8 iron to a flat green skips forward a few yards and then checks hard. Males sense. A 122% 8 iron Hutto a very slight up slope checks super hard and backs way up. I understand that once it's rolling a down slop will exacerbate it but not sure I follow why the slight incline causes the ball to check back so much harder than a flat surface.

[IanK]

Just going outside to bang my head on a brick wall! ;-)

[Richard]

OK. I can appreciate that the shit isn't predetermined. This is great. Two things I don't quite follow that I'd appreciate your view on:

1 - I posted a video in the spin thread that I created. At one point it showed a 100% wedge backing up 10 yards or so. Makes sense to me. But the. A 99% shot didn't back up at all. I know that things are perfectly linear but I would've expected a little back up on that shot. Why is the change so sudden?

2 - A 122% 8 iron to a flat green skips forward a few yards and then checks hard. Males sense. A 122% 8 iron Hutto a very slight up slope checks super hard and backs way up. I understand that once it's rolling a down slop will exacerbate it but not sure I follow why the slight incline causes the ball to check back so much harder than a flat surface.

 

Just refer to the 'locked thread'. You're find your answers there, I promise. Just read and comprehend.

[mebby]

Guys... I'm asking for his thoughts. That's it. If I felt it was already answered I wouldn't ask again. Seriously. I'm asking as nicely as I know how and trying to engage in an open conversation. If you don't like it then read another thread.