35 replies to this topic

[DennisHarris]

I would like to know what PG minimum and maximum DPI Setting (If Any) are.  I'm interested because of the recent warning messages received at the end of a multiplayer round.  Are players including myself triggering the message because of their DPI settings? A clarification of this by Dev team would be appreciated.   

[Armand]

In case you missed it, the message is shown to all players of a multiplayer match, not just the one player (or more) who have triggered the message.  Nonetheless, I agree it would be good to know what triggers the message.

[StoneComet]

Hi,

 

I recently disabled "Enhanced Pointer Precision" and set my mouse to 800 DPI. My guess is 900 is the baseline. I get messages occasionally in the console but do not trigger an end of round warning. A nice post as a guide with a word about what the console numbers mean and what the ideal baseline DPI setting is would be welcome.

 

If I went to 900 DPI I would have to max out the sliders in game to the right most likely. Right now I have my sliders at 3.8/3.8 respectively and my DPI at 800. I'm just guessing what optimal may be.

 

SC 

[Ian]

I would think that there's no limit on the DPI, but I presume that if you had 800/100 for instance, the ratio will trigger the message. I'm on 300/200 which doesn't trigger the message but on 300/100 it does. Remember that there are 3 places to adjust the swing speed in motion swings:

1) Within Windows/Control panel/Mouse/Pointer options.

2) In your mouse software.

3) In the game.

[les1959]

ian i tried my mouse dpi at 300 and the friggin curser never moved lol. i am currently set at 1350

[sideshowbob]

The fact that you can alter the mouse sensitivity with the in-game settings makes me wonder why they have an anti-cheat policy if you alter it within the mouse settings!

They are one and the same thing.

Also, I dont like the fact that you dont get the message if you shoot a poor score. Its like 'Hey you shot a good score, you must be cheating!'

[Acrilix]

sideshowbob, on 21 Dec 2016 - 4:35 PM, said:

Also, I dont like the fact that you dont get the message if you shoot a poor score. Its like 'Hey you shot a good score, you must be cheating!'

 

I guess that the game is counting the number of unnaturally good swings made. Say for instance someone is using a controller with a large dead zone. If they don't swing it within that dead zone they are not gaining any advantage, so there is no need for a warning. If however they are consistently making use of that increased dead zone, then they are gaining a significant advantage, and so the warning is needed.

[Wirenut48]

The in-game sliders I would imagine are within the acceptable perimeters. Using mouse software you could I suppose exceed those and get flagged.

[DennisHarris]

Every post on this thread is excellent yet not official.  Still waiting for an official response from The Dev. Team. 

[Armand]

sideshowbob, on 21 Dec 2016 - 4:35 PM, said:

The fact that you can alter the mouse sensitivity with the in-game settings makes me wonder why they have an anti-cheat policy if you alter it within the mouse settings!

They are one and the same thing.

Also, I dont like the fact that you dont get the message if you shoot a poor score. Its like 'Hey you shot a good score, you must be cheating!'

 

I've never seen the warning message, and maybe that's why - I haven't broken 80 yet (or is it 85?!).  In my F8 console, though, I notice anti-cheat values going to -2, -3, -5, or so, and even -17 and -21 once, if memory serves.  How does this compare to others' values? 

 

I don't know what my mouse DPI is (it's set on the slowest of the 4 options - I think at 400 dpi, but not sure) and there isn't any software driver for the mouse aside from the MS Win10 mouse driver.  The in-game settings are 2.8 and 3.8.

[Ian]

les1959, on 20 Dec 2016 - 4:38 PM, said:

ian i tried my mouse dpi at 300 and the friggin curser never moved lol. i am currently set at 1350

Les, the adjustment in Windows makes a huge difference. And try turning off  "Enhance pointer precision"

[JTee1]

Watch the 7:30 time in video when he fades and draws. You will see the mouse pointer try to go straight during the swing when he tries to not hit straight. No ones fault other then mouse prediction trying to hit a str8 line.  I believe that,s the biggest issue most players are having. Regardless of your dpi your mouse may have prediction and hit straight a majority of the time. Causing the penalty for a str8 shot. Also notice the 0 plane thru ought the video. My guess is hes using a generic mouse.

 

 

     

 

Link to mice with no prediction

http://www.perfectpa...-golf/?p=107405

[hhatch]

I see no reason why there would or should be a minimum or maximum dpi setting as long as both axes are the same. If, for example, you have dpi set to 800 and change it to 400 you have decreased the sensitivity on the x axis but doubled the length of travel on the y axis making it more likely that there will be deviation on the x axis. Conversely, it the dpi is changed to 1600 the length of travel on the y axis is reduced which would reduce the chance of deviation on the  x axis but now the sensitivity of the x axis has been doubled. As long as both axes are the same and no snap angle, edging, or other aids are used I view the dpi setting as a matter of personal preference. I am sure that some people might play better at a given dpi setting but I do not believe it is the result of any inherent advantage of a particular setting.

 

We then have the issue of sensitivity settings. If the above is correct and adjusting sensitivity settings are triggering the anti cheat software then what it does is catch someone who is using sensitivity settings provided by the developers for the purpose of adjusting the length of the back swing. 

I thought the info provided by JTee was interesting and surprising to me. That may explain why I can play so well with my cheapo mouse which has 800 dpi and no adjustments other than that provided by windows.

[JoeBradley]

Never heard of prediction / angle snapping before this thread and was a bit worried my old mouse used it without my realising. But seems the Intellimouse Explorer 3 I currently use (got a G402 coming on Sunday!) doesn't have it anyway. This discussion shows what an inspired choice it was for PG to allocate the overriding swing influence to tempo.

 

Personally, I wouldn't care to use a device that completely eliminated one of the swing variables (it would remove some of the satisfaction when you hit a pure shot) but I have no problem with anyone who does. After all, we can select different skill levels which effectively does the same thing. By predominantly playing Pro instead of Tour Pro, for instance, I have chosen to make the game more forgiving than it could be. My game, my choice.    

[hhatch]

I agree tempo is the equalizer for the mouse swing. It really does greatly reduce the influence of some of the factors being discussed.

[Mike Jones]

JTee1, on 22 Dec 2016 - 3:43 PM, said:

Watch the 7:30 time in video when he fades and draws. You will see the mouse pointer try to go straight during the swing when he tries to not hit straight. No ones fault other then mouse prediction trying to hit a str8 line. I believe that,s the biggest issue most players are having. Regardless of your dpi your mouse may have prediction and hit straight a majority of the time. Causing the penalty for a str8 shot. Also notice the 0 plane thru ought the video. My guess is hes using a generic mouse.




Link to mice with no prediction
http://www.perfectpa...-golf/?p=107405

It's a Corsair Razor and I didn't even know I was getting a hardware assist at that point. I had to install the corsair software in order to turn off angle snapping.

It took me a couple of weeks to be able to play decently again but it was worth it as now I can hit draws and fades with more consistency.

[JTee1]

Mike I've always used a G502 logiteck and use 650 dpi. I had a cord issue and switched to a generic mouse until I fixed the cord. The generic mouse had 1000 dpi and my timing was off for ratio. But I could always putt better with the generic, so I eventually used both mice one to putt the other for all other shots. I didn't realize why until anticheat feature was incorporated into game. Most players don't realize the cheaper sensors plus prediction factor allow for a very straight mouse movement. To no one's fault. Just a fact of how different mice are configured. I can shoot better on my cheap Asus mouse when I get the timing down . It's defiantly more realistic and fun with the G502.

[sideshowbob]

Another factor to consider is the mouse mat.

I have a rubber/cloth one, plastic one and a full blown gaming mat and they all have different properties.

I normally use my G502 mouse on the old rubber/cloth mat, but this itself is not straightforward. In the morning when my room is cold, the mouse movement is quite slow (feels sticky) but in the afternoon if the room is warm, everything becomes quite smooth and I have to adjust my MS action accordingly.

[jeffield]

Ian, on 22 Dec 2016 - 09:50 AM, said:

Les, the adjustment in Windows makes a huge difference. And try turning off "Enhance pointer precision"

Thank you I'm going to look into this enhanced pointer precision thing. Also I've been having some trouble with my Comcast speed lately. Have to call them back over the Hollidays. I run on medium settings on my r9 amd. Laptop. So a slower internet speed can effect fps??

[Mike Jones]

jeffield, on 25 Dec 2016 - 2:13 PM, said:

So a slower internet speed can effect fps??

Nope it's not related.