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[stopits here]

Are you using a afterglow pad? if so then you are gaining an advantage on tour.  Are you really happy with that? you may win an event by default, does that do it for you? i will refrain from calling 3rd party pads cheaters because that term does not yet apply, exploiters is a more apt phrase.  If you insist on using these pads then take it off tour, simple as that.  The RTS-C swing was created with xbox pad in mind, and imo that is the only controller that should be used on tour, even the PS4 pad is easier.

100% agree with you, i use xbox one elite controller, i'm happy with it, my point is NOW people who used an after glow controller (or whatever controller people use) they can't play this game anymore because the controller will shank randomly every shot?, if i used one of these controllers i would be asking steam for a refund, because PP have made the game unplayable for them?. 

[RobV]

Yikes... I may be old school, but thank goodness for 3 Click!  

[Jesus Jones]

Can a program that detects a certain controller be implemented?

[JCat04]

Yikes... I may be old school, but thank goodness for 3 Click!  

 

38.89% (+/- 6%) of the people who play this game would agree with you (http://www.perfectpa...g/?hl=interface), although I can't count myself among them.

 

Perfect Parallel is still on a journey with real time controller and mouse swing interfaces, but IMO, we've currently got a very playable interface no matter what your poison. Are they balanced in difficulty?  No, but as one who has difficulty breaking 75 with RTSC in Pro, I've got a game challenge that keeps me coming back for more.  I find other people who play the game the same way I do and measure myself against them each week in the OGT tournaments.  I'm always amazed at how close I am to them in the standings, week after week.

[Pappy]

BARE Golf is a Pro level comp Pappy.

Yes but it's RTS, Ted and I'm trying not to spread myself to thin with doing different swings etc. Getting older and with grand kids I think I just want to focus on one swing and even one level w/o pushing it - like semi retirement in golf. I play amateur right now and am enjoying it. Would love the challenges of RTS, pro MS etc but gotta face the facts that I wouldn't enjoy it so why do it. If I get a new computer before I TOTALLY retire (either 6'under or medically) I would enjoy more playing matches with friends or whoever, even pro as wouldn't have to focus as much.

[Pappy]

The problem was it was registering false positives, I know I triggered them with both controller and mouse so it was removed for the time being.
 
People complaining about it when it's not working correctly is completely justified IMO.

Agree with you on that Andrew. If your team can get it working by all means do it. Plus there might be the added benefit of adding more members to PG as they will feel safer if you will.

[☠InDaSkies☠]

You play 3 click so how does this affect you?, show me were  PP  says what controller people can use?

I think your missing my point, all I'm saying is with a zero access controller it allows them to hit straight. If I'm playing against a that person with a zero access controller and I'm using 3 click he has that advantage over me. I never said that PP said anything about what people can use. So I'm not sure were that came from.   

[☠InDaSkies☠]

My point is WHERE does it say i NEED use x, y, z controller to play this game? so calling people using different controllers cheats is silly there is NO 3rd party controllers for PCs, if you plug it in and it works good stuff.

I don't know if this is directed towards me but Just to clear something up, at no time did I call anyone a cheater. I just simply said zero access controllers allows a straight shot.

[stopits here]

I think your missing my point, all I'm saying is with a zero access controller it allows them to hit straight. If I'm playing against a that person with a zero access controller and I'm using 3 click he has that advantage over me. I never said that PP said anything about what people can use. So I'm not sure were that came from.   

I play guys using MS/RTSM and they all hit straighter then i do with a controller?, may be we should all be separated and only play with the same swing mode?, IMHO i think there is more "cheating" with a mouse then a controller  

[☠InDaSkies☠]

I play guys using MS/RTSM and they all hit straighter then i do with a controller?, may be we should all be separated and only play with the same swing mode?, IMHO i think there is more "cheating" with a mouse then a controller  

I wouldn't know about that but I think separating swing types wouldn't be a solution as it would limit the people you would be able to play with, but maybe in tournaments. But I do respect your opinion.

[tlvx]

I play guys using MS/RTSM and they all hit straighter then i do with a controller?, may be we should all be separated and only play with the same swing mode?, IMHO i think there is more "cheating" with a mouse then a controller

That's a straight up lie.

Firstly, you yourself have admitted to having a zero-axis controller... right here in the forums.

Now we're supposed to suddenly believe that you don't use it?

We're supposed to just "trust" you, right?

I know of at least half a dozen controller players that can hit dead straight repeatedly.

Yet, I only know of two or three mouse users that can remotely control their ball... which doesn't always equate to a straight trajectory, either.

The difference is that having zero-axis on a mouse is irrelevant to the outcome, because it requires a specific ratio of tempo.

Mouse swing also requires the shot be executed in less than 3 seconds.

The fact that you think you're somehow at a disadvantage - with your zero-axis controller - hitting everything dead straight, without putting in any of the work - with no ratio requirement & no time limit - is utterly preposterous.

[JTee1]

Trust me the mouse or controllers can be dumbed down to achieve 0 plane and offset every shot. Some don't even need dumbed down. There accuracy has up to a 15% variance in accuracy. This translates to a larger variance in your path before its detected by mouse or controller. 

Another player was having the anti cheat kick in and destroy his game with a generic non gaming mouse. So I pulled  my $10 HP mouse out of the closet and i hit 6 of 10 @ 0 plane and axis. I was floored. The poor optics and possibly acceleration and prediction caused this. I cant do this with my gaming mouse who many felt i had an advantage. If you challenged me to play for money i would use the cheap HP mouse. Go figure

 

Prediction: the mouse tries to predict your movement and is exceptional at straight lines by eliminating  your mouse movement variance. (golf swing)

 

Accelerarion: Good for many things but can cause mouse skipping  and eliminate variance in the movement. 

 

List of mice without prediction and acceleration. I have the G502 but buyer beware if you hit zero plane on the driving range with your present mouse you will not with the G502. The G502 had the top optical sensor in 2014, and picks up every deviation. 

 

List: and I don,t expect or want anyone to buy one, just info that's all

[mebby]

Trust me the mouse or controllers can be dumbed down to achieve 0 plane and offset every shot. Some don't even need dumbed down. There accuracy has up to a 15% variance in accuracy. This translates to a larger variance in your path before its detected by mouse or controller. 

Another player was having the anti cheat kick in and destroy his game with a generic non gaming mouse. So I pulled  my $10 HP mouse out of the closet and i hit 6 of 10 @ 0 plane and axis. I was floored. The poor optics and possibly acceleration and prediction caused this. I cant do this with my gaming mouse who many felt i had an advantage. If you challenged me to play for money i would use the cheap HP mouse. Go figure

 

Prediction: the mouse tries to predict your movement and is exceptional at straight lines by eliminating  your mouse movement variance. (golf swing)

 

Accelerarion: Good for many things but can cause mouse skipping  and eliminate variance in the movement. 

 

List of mice without prediction and acceleration. I have the G502 but buyer beware if you hit zero plane on the driving range with your present mouse you will not with the G502. The G502 had the top optical sensor in 2014, and picks up every deviation. 

 

List: and I don,t expect or want anyone to buy one, just info that's all

Fantastic post!  It's kinda funny that everyone thinks people using these nice and highly customizable gaming mice are the ones that are trying to cheat the system or gain and advantage.  Meanwhile it's quite the opposite.  Very interesting.

[JTee1]

I looked up  my HP mouse and it has the 15% variance and the main reason it shoots so str8. Floored me also. Now that i know which one shoots better, my first instinct is to use the HP to win.  Hopefully the temptation will subside. 

 

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[zmax - sim]

Great info JTee1. 

[SReesor]

I use the G502 and play MS on Pro level...I'm not a great player, and struggle to shoot par. Would never consider trying to gain an advantage in any other way than practice, club and course knowledge to manage my way around courses. My below average scoring is purely on me...the way it should be (not enough practice, tempo issues, patience). 

[Brendan]

corsair sabre rgb here - from what i can see it has no prediction or acceleration, but does have some ripple?? on some mouse pads - be interested if you can help me find out if this is accurate Jeff?

[stopits here]

That's a straight up lie.

Firstly, you yourself have admitted to having a zero-axis controller... right here in the forums.

Now we're supposed to suddenly believe that you don't use it?

We're supposed to just "trust" you, right?

I know of at least half a dozen controller players that can hit dead straight repeatedly.

Yet, I only know of two or three mouse users that can remotely control their ball... which doesn't always equate to a straight trajectory, either.

The difference is that having zero-axis on a mouse is irrelevant to the outcome, because it requires a specific ratio of tempo.

Mouse swing also requires the shot be executed in less than 3 seconds.

The fact that you think you're somehow at a disadvantage - with your zero-axis controller - hitting everything dead straight, without putting in any of the work - with no ratio requirement & no time limit - is utterly preposterous.

OK TLVX, PP/OGT should be able to get the raw data from my stats showing I DON'T USE A ZERO AXIS controller, the video i showed was exactly what it was, i used a BROKEN  controller to show what i wanted to show, THAT CONTROLLER would be useless to play the game with, i'am more then happy for anyone at any time to come watch me play this game. Now the problem i have with your game is simple, you take at least 2 minutes to hit EVERY SHOT even a simple 5 foot put, i think you use some BOT software for all your shots, that's the only explanation i can come up with? you have a lot of game time, you shouldn't be taking ALL THAT TIME to make simple shots end of story. 

Just one more thing TLVX,  why don't we ever see you over at OGT ? could it be that they know of your cheating ways and have banned you from playing on the tours?, is that maybe why you use a different steam account to play the tours ? PINBANGER.

[Greensboronclion]

I have the Corsair M65 and just looked it up and it has no Prediction and Acceleration also. Thanks JTee for the info and now I know why I am so bad at this game and feel much better. Lol.

[tlvx]

OK TLVX, PP/OGT should be able to get the raw data from my stats showing I DON'T USE A ZERO AXIS controller, the video i showed was exactly what it was, i used a BROKEN  controller to show what i wanted to show, THAT CONTROLLER would be useless to play the game with, i'am more then happy for anyone at any time to come watch me play this game. Now the problem i have with your game is simple, you take at least 2 minutes to hit EVERY SHOT even a simple 5 foot put, i think you use some BOT software for all your shots, that's the only explanation i can come up with? you have a lot of game time, you shouldn't be taking ALL THAT TIME to make simple shots end of story. 

Just one more thing TLVX,  why don't we ever see you over at OGT ? could it be that they know of your cheating ways and have banned you from playing on the tours?, is that maybe why you use a different steam account to play the tours ? PINBANGER.

 

First of all, I've never taken more time than any shot-clock would allow. You're just exaggerating, because you're highly impatient, and a sore loser to boot.

 

But yes, I actually take a few seconds to think before I hit my shots... unlike mindless dolts like you, with zero course management skills.

 

I would actually prefer a shot-clock, and have lobbied for one, on more than one occasion.

 

Yet, I cannot even keep count of how many green-side shots that I've seen you blast right over the green... or, well past the pin. Perhaps, you should take more than five seconds to hit green-side shots. You may discover that another club or shot type could be a better option. -- Oh, What am I thinking? You're too daft to comprehend these things.

 

Maybe you should stop trying to guess what someone else is doing, and instead try to improve your own short game... because it really leaves a lot to be desired; which is why you'll never be on the level.

 

Also, I've never played on any unofficial tours, in any golf game, console nor pc... because I don't get any enjoyment out of it. Simple as.

 

I tend to focus on turn-based-multiplayer games, with an emphasis on team golf... because that's what I get the most enjoyment out of.

 

So, despite all of your unmitigated trash talk... the only thing you have actually proved, is that you yourself are in possession of, and have used a zero-axis controller. It's now a bonafide fact.

 

Stop trying to drag anyone else down to your pathetic level. You are just a sore loser, that admittedly cheats at video golf; and yet, still sucks at it.

 

If you want to tell another story... try letting your game do the talking. -- Running your mouth - with nothing to show for it - has never worked, nor will it work on me.

 

Also, I don't know who, "Pinbanger," is. So, I would appreciate if you refrain from spewing baseless accusations in my direction. I've never needed to hide, which is precisely why I have employed the exact same username on both the console and pc.

 

Now, put your tinfoil hat down, and get your life.