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[Davefevs]

Thought I'd start a new thread for our views on what we think about pricing of this game, to avoid us going off-topic in other threads.

Post your ideas here.

[Davefevs]

Ok to start.....

Golf balls: don't personally want to pay for balls, but am happy to select which to use at the start of a round,e.g. Choose of a soft ball, sacrificing distance for feel and spin.

[Davefevs]

Happy to buy the game. Happy to buy an online subscription. Don't want to pay for balls and clubs etc that give me an advantage over someone who hasn't. If people want to pay extra fir branded gear then fine as long as it doesn't give them an unfair advantage.

In real life I still hit some 20+ year old prosimmon blades. And I bought those second hand, so god knows how old they really are!

I don't personally like the WGT business model, I want a game I can play like a pro with without having to buy gear. Practice will make me better, like real life, a snazzy pair of golf shoes won't!!

[✠ davef ✠]

i would like to see yearly subs,and build yourself to the better gear.

as dave posted WGT is a real work of art even worse then EA when it comes to grabbing one's money

and the people over there are a bunch of snobbish goofs

[Acrilix]

I have no problem with the purchase of clubs and balls, providing that they don't become necessary to compete with others. In real life there were plenty of people around with better clubs and balls than me, but I never felt that I was at a serious disadvantage when I played them. There were always people that could hit the ball a lot farther than me too, but I never even thought about it, so as long as the game is realistic, ultimately skill should still be the deciding factor.

 

I don't believe people that play offline should have to pay a yearly subscription, just a one off payment, and I think they should still have access to the community created courses, but if the game is constantly being revised and improved each year, people paying subscriptions should receive any updates for free as they will be necessary to play online. The offline players should be given the chance to purchase these updates, and I believe the majority of people would do, as was the case with the yearly Tiger Woods updates that have been released for a long time now, and Links expansion packs etc in the past. That way I don't think anyone will feel aggrieved, and those who just can't afford it will still have something they can play until their financial situation improves.

[Richard]

My thoughts on pricing (2¢ worth). Let me tell you that my only experience with computer golf games is Links 2003 so most of my comments carry that slant.

1. The basic game (including 6 - 12 courses) should be available at a reasonable price to everyone. I'm not sure what a "reasonable price" is but obviously Perfect Parallel needs to recover their development and distribution costs plus make a profit.

2. Additional courses developed by Perfect Parallel should be available to everyone at a reasonable price and available individually and in "discounted bundles". This category should be limited to "real courses" only.

3. "Fictional or Imaginary" courses (Links Corner terminology) created by Perfect Parallel subscribers should be available for download free of charge.

4. "Real Courses" created by Perfect Parallel subscribers must be reviewed by Perfect Parallel for quality and integrity approval prior to being available for download at a nomimal fee. The fee to be determined by negotiation between the creator and Perfect Parallel.

5. There should be "no charge" for "golfer animations" developed by users. Similar to what's available on the Links AmiMasters website for Links 2003.

6. There should be "no charge" for bags, balls, clubs, clothing, etc. This is just a gimmick to generate revenue and not of these items should impact the scoring of a round.

7. There should be a "annual fee" to play online tournaments.

8. Regarding "course designer software":

    A.  A basic course designer program should be available for download "free of charge".

    B.  A nomimal charge for addtional add-on "planting packages" would seem appropriate. These packages could include texture, trees, club houses, tee markers, electronic leader boards, etc.

I may think of more items based on the response to this post.

[Stephen Sullivan]

Leeray    Some of us are on a tight budget.  The idea of $100 a year or whatever that is in proper money is just not going to fly with me  and smacks of elitism.

Don't mind paying for the game and something like the $20 I pay at APCD Courses to play in tournaments, but no more. Don't even mind pin setting and the like for tournaments.

I will also be attempting to build courses for PP, as I have built some for Links. Most important thing for me though is that a horizontal mouse swing is available. If that isn't available, I will have no interest at all.

[Harald]

@Leeray,

i also agreed that we should pay a Price for the Game and also a reasonable Price for the yearly Costs of using the Online Features, but like Sully wrote it must be payable for much more then a Elite Group of Players. And then in my Oppinion you make a Fault in your Thoughts because the Sucess of the Game is not to make "fast Money" the Sucess would be that many Users play the Game over a long long Time permanenty. Also is it in Busines important that your Return of Invest would works longer then 3 Years like you wrote. I think PP wouldn't be happy to make Money for 3 Years and then the Crowd lost the Interest in the Game about Costs who are too High. More important in my personal meaning is that PP established a Game who will be works a longer Time then other Golf Games and therefore they must use/find a Model, maybe with seperate Payments for new Courses every Year etc., then starting with not aceptable Costs for the most Players. Not only the Gameplay is important, also aceptable Cost for the most of the IT Golfer Community.

[highfade]

Will there be room for independent  online tours or should all play be through PP? Personally I would like to play a pro tour with no handicapping but where all the players play on the same difficulty level and with the same swing method. If there is enough players it should be easy to have a tour exclusively for say Champ level, 4 click swings.

[Davefevs]

I think the Country Clubs will be controlled within PG. don't suppose that stops anyone having their own outside but not sure if there will be any mechanism to verify a score?

[marts30]

 

Cost of game: $60.00

Cost to play online for one year $100.00
Choice to play online per month might be around $15.00

 

That would put a lot of people off, I think. It's just too much. Why should we have to pay to play online? We should have to pay for gear upgrades or unlocks with Golf$ we can add to our account, but the game should be entirely playable after you purchase! No limits, you can buy a membership which could herald bonuses but it shouldn't be necessary.

[Maineah]

 Why should we have to pay to play online?

Good servers costs good money, if you want a premium online experience we need to pay for that-

[TeenZ]

WGT charge you credits for balls which do not last meaning you have to keep paying more credits, this is a disgrace, really getting into people's money, then all their clubs for the workability, distance, feel etc they rig it so it makes it difficult to choose which in the hope people buy more than one. They charge for a putting assistant based on a stupid swing meter bar and give no measurements. These are just some things I don't want to see happen here.

WGT is a joke and they've sucked in quite a few people and what does the user get? Not a very good golfing experience and still images and poor graphics along with a lack of many features. There's not even any draw or fade..no crowds, no commentary and not much really.

The people here can look at the mistakes of TWO, WGT and others and easily make a miles better golfing experience.

I think a yearly sub and if you want better equipment it should be on skill not just paying a little extra. I think no green fees for yearly members and no extra fees for members to play tournaments. Maybe extra for country clubs. The equipment in the pro shop I would like to see all mean something unlike TWO where most of the clubs are useless to use.

Pro shop really needs to be interactive and real.

[fungolfer]

I think paying for the game and paying a yearly sub is my maximum. As I stated before in another thread, I wouldn't wanna see mini transactions or extra payments for equipment.

If there will be an arcade version for the kids ( ), I'm ok with mini transactions for everything they need, like previews, clubs, balls, etc. But for the main game, I think that a yearly sub + money for the game itself should be enough.

[Bluenoser]

All this talk about pricing, online fees..... don't know about that and don't really care.

 

I'm hoping for a game I can install on my PC and then load up and play whenever I feel like it with no restrictions. Have no interest in CC"s, or online leagues and such.

 

Want very much to be able to set up a career mode and play that, as well as do what I do in Links now - create a few AI Players and play casual rounds against them.

 

If I have to start buying balls and clubs and other stuff to be able to play at higher levels, then I have zero interest in this game. That's not a slight either, PP is doing an amazing job and doing what they have to do to get this going and out the door. Kudos to them, I really hope they have great success with this.

 

But at the end of the day, I just want to be able to flash up my game and play at my leisure.

[Tresclub]

 

Cost of game: $60.00

Cost to play online for one year $100.00

Choice to play online per month might be around $15.00

Well Lee, you just priced me right out of this game.  Bummer.
Being a senior on a fixed income, an annual fee of $50 would be within reach for moi.