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[Crow357]

So, I see posts from people on both sides.  Some say, "I can't miss a snap, to make this harder I'd have to play blindfolded."  And others say, "OMG, please slow down the meter, it moves at the speed of light!"

 

So, which is it?  Yes, No, or Just Right.

[JoeF]

As a long time motion swing player, playing with no aids 3-click is easier than no aids motion swing.  Many months ago I played two rounds on the same course, same conditions - 1 using MS no aids and 1 using 3-click no aids.  This was the first time I had 3-clicked since the late 1990's.  I scored 10 strokes better over 18 holes using 3-click.  Now, I have to say that I feel I'm more consistent at MS now so the difference may not be as wide but hitting fairways and greens is still easier in 3-click than with MS.

[spy88]

Actually the answer can be both "not too easy" and "just right".  

 

I have nerve damage in my hand and fingers that cause jerks and twitches that affect my ability to find the snap.  They also affect both MS swing meters but using the larger muscles for them reduces the issue.  Even if I had no "handicap", I'd not say 3C is "too" easy.  I play with many friends and strangers and often see a shot go astray with it.  And even if there are players who can hit the snap 99.9% of the time, all they need do is switch to a MS meter and their difficulty settings for continued challenges with the game.  jmo    

[Sinewiz]

The larger problem is that there's virtually no penalty for spraying the ball into bunkers and the rough. The first couple difficulty settings seem fine to me, but let's face it, after playing for a period of time it's unusual to miss snap by more than 2 or 3 degrees. Yes, that sometimes can make the difference as to whether your in the fairway or the rough. But so what! Take an extra club and you're fine. Until there's more penalty for being off the short stuff the difficulty you're playing at makes little to no difference. Yes, I understand my answer could also apply to motion swing but I'm just responding from a clickers perspective. As things are now I neither go particularly high or low. The putting makes the overall game hard enough that I never shoot lights out but at the same time the game itself doesn't play hard enough for me to go high either. Sometimes that can get a little boring for me. Either toughen up the penalty for hitting into hazards or toughen up the last two difficulty settings. Preferably both.

[Fairwayman]

  I just never used it because --to me--rts or mswing were a better representation to IRL playing/swinging

[scrambler]

Haven't 3c since Links came out with PS. 3c and MS just don't feel real compared to PS.

[Buck]

Either toughen up the penalty for hitting into hazards or toughen up the last two difficulty settings. 

 

To tag onto the great comments about the rough & sand not penalizing enough...  

 

...I've been bummed that we have air trees (still) - It's a *little* better now with SpeedTrees, but you can still largely go right through huge swaths of foliage and vegetation with basically no penalty.

 

It's a problem.  

 

That stuff is out there to be a challenge to work around and if it plays as largely "transparent", the courses and the challenge are really diminished.

[axe360]

I think we need to know what difficulty level we are talking about. For me, with No Aids, its as hard as hell...

[Griz891]

I think we need to know what difficulty level we are talking about. For me, with No Aids, its is hard as hell...

I 2nd that Axe. No Aids and you can't miss that snap at all or your hooking or slicing it. But it's the only true way to play IMO for realistic scoring.

[Crow357]

To tag onto the great comments about the rough & sand not penalizing enough...  

 

...I've been bummed that we have air trees (still) - It's a *little* better now with SpeedTrees, but you can still largely go right through huge swaths of foliage and vegetation with basically no penalty.

 

It's a problem.  

 

That stuff is out there to be a challenge to work around and if it plays as largely "transparent", the courses and the challenge are really diminished.

I hadn't noticed the trees, because I'm not near them too often, but now that you mention it, I have had a few shots where I did better than I thought I would after going through some leaves.   

 

I too feel the rough and fairway bunkers arn't penal enough in that I think it should be harder to hit the snap, both 3C and MS (I'm an MS'er BTW).  I mentioned to Andrew one day that I thought it was a little to easy to hit out of the fairway bunkers and he said he'd look at it.

 

After that, I wondered how my real life experiences in the sand color my judgement.  Back when I used to play, I was terrified of being in the sand.  I can remember hitting one good 5 iron out of a fairway bunker in my life.  In fact, if I wanted to make sure that I'd miss a bunker, I'd just aim right at it .  That being said, I read that tour pros much prefer being in the sand.  They'd much rather play a sand shot than being in the tall grass, so maybe, the sand is close to right, I dunno.  I def. fear the rough in this game more than the sand, that's for sure.

[clubcaptain]

 That being said, I read that tour pros much prefer being in the sand.  They'd much rather play a sand shot than being in the tall grass, so maybe, the sand is close to right, I dunno.

 

That's true and is exactly why Jack was trying to get bunkers raked E/W rather than N/S but it didn't catch on.

[Sinewiz]

I hadn't noticed the trees, because I'm not near them too often, but now that you mention it, I have had a few shots where I did better than I thought I would after going through some leaves.   

 

I too feel the rough and fairway bunkers arn't penal enough in that I think it should be harder to hit the snap, both 3C and MS (I'm an MS'er BTW).  I mentioned to Andrew one day that I thought it was a little to easy to hit out of the fairway bunkers and he said he'd look at it.

 

After that, I wondered how my real life experiences in the sand color my judgement.  Back when I used to play, I was terrified of being in the sand.  I can remember hitting one good 5 iron out of a fairway bunker in my life.  In fact, if I wanted to make sure that I'd miss a bunker, I'd just aim right at it .  That being said, I read that tour pros much prefer being in the sand.  They'd much rather play a sand shot than being in the tall grass, so maybe, the sand is close to right, I dunno.  I def. fear the rough in this game more than the sand, that's for sure.

The pros prefer being in greenside bunkers as opposed to deep rough just off the green. They don't prefer being in fairway bunkers 200 yards from the green.

[JoeF]

The pros prefer being in greenside bunkers as opposed to deep rough just off the green. They don't prefer being in fairway bunkers 200 yards from the green.

 

It didn't bother Tiger at the 2000 Canadian Open.    

[gravedodger]

I think we need to know what difficulty level we are talking about. For me, with No Aids, its is hard as hell...

true story ... I find OFF / OFF / OFF very challenging to the point where a seemingly okay round can turn into a nightmare very quickly with a few badly missed snaps.

[Parboy]

I think we need to know what difficulty level we are talking about. For me, with No Aids, its as hard as hell...

Totally agree. Not sure what all the discussion is about. There are multiple levels of difficulty. All one has to do is find the one they are most comfortable, or uncomfortable, with.

[AlanR54NC]

Check my scores....yet to break par. So at least for me, no, 3Click is not too easy. Neither do I see the 3Click players winning all the tourneys

To each is own. . . . .

[mebby]

VERY subjective poll.  I prefer playing with MS because I feel like there are many more nuances to this swing type that you just can't get in 3C.  

However... 3C is plenty difficult with no assists.  I think that MS with no assists is more difficult thatn 3C with no assists.

 

But if you ask the question regarding 3C in a bubble I'd have to say that 3C is probably a little too easy but I don't think it's way off the mark.

[Crow357]

Totally agree. Not sure what all the discussion is about. There are multiple levels of difficulty. All one has to do is find the one they are most comfortable, or uncomfortable, with.

I started this poll because of comments I've seen that 3 click off off off was way too easy and I wanted to know the general consensus.

[clubcaptain]

I started this poll because of comments I've seen that 3 click off off off was way too easy and I wanted to know the general consensus.

I guess i missed all those comments.

[Carnat]

I went to a real driving range yesterday and actually found it easier to hit the ball right than 3-clicks with no aids