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[sirputterman]

AwYea, on 07 Mar 2016 - 9:58 PM, said:

Put as simple as possible. You're missing out on the total game design by playing 3C or RTS-C.

 

The game is ultimately designed for MS & RTS-M. It's what separates it from any other golf game. It's VERY in-depth and some people haven't totally figured this out yet.

 

Comparing the TGC game play mechanics to PG is like comparing the space shuttle to  one of them little wooden airplanes you use to get powered by a rubber band.

 

Not bashing if you have a preferred way of play and that's it, but this game was designed to be a sim and my suggestion to pair people competitively based on is sim swing styles is accurate.

Omg wow seriously dude? How about  those that use a real simulator and swing a real club? Think they "have missed out of the game design"?   Totally stunned that you would even post  what you did. 

[Buck]

AwYea, on 07 Mar 2016 - 9:58 PM, said:

Put as simple as possible. You're missing out on the total game design by playing 3C or RTS-C.

 

Subjective opinion.  

Each & every mode offers its own unique challenges.

 

Can't we just let people play how they want in peace?

 

Do we have to devolve down to "my way is more complete/better/the way it should be/modern/best/better than yours/harder than yours"?

 

Sheesh guys.  

Surely we must have more useful things to discuss than this, no?

[AwYea]

mebby, you may not agree, but the proof is in the current PG pudding. it's justy like you can't have a racing sim the plays out the same on a gamepad like it does a real racing wheel.

[AwYea]

sirputterman, on 07 Mar 2016 - 10:03 PM, said:

Omg wow seriously dude? How about  those that use a real simulator and swing a real club? Think they "have missed out of the game design"?   Totally stunned that you would even post  what you did. 

 

Obviously, simulator leagues should have their own division. Doesn't that go without saying?

 

The should be 3 divisions instead of 2, i said it.

[StoneComet]

I like the way PG has gone to give options for PG and the various swing types. I would not worry too much about the parity. The developers will try and get it as close as possible but everyone will not be happy. They also understand the slippery slope and I have every confidence they will not go too far. The community will be divided up some but it is still the community and a larger slice of the market buying and playing the game. I did not read all the posts but I caught one where someone was presenting the often overused slippery slope tactic. Something like "only left handed players allowed". No one can seriously believe it will ever get to that level. The  leaderboards could easily be filtered to provide different leaderboards with a click or three. The default would be all things being equal but if a player wanted to see how they stack up against a similar play style or difficulty the option to filter the leaderboard should be there.

What I don't understand is that usually in my experience slippery slope arguments come from people that believe in a free market. You cannot have a free market without options. If a certain type of play style is really that inferior then players that really care about the competitive edge will switch to the best option. Why anyone would want to change what we have and force players unwillingly to play a certain way by eliminating an option, at this point, that the developers deem as compatible and increases their market share is beyond me.

Community divided, that's normal even with a lot of parity. The point is to grow the community even if it is divided which it always will be.

[sirputterman]

AwYea, on 07 Mar 2016 - 10:06 PM, said:

Obviously, simulator leagues should have their own division. Doesn't that go without saying?

 

The should be 3 divisions instead of 2, i said it.

Dear PP I hate to inform you that you have wasted countless hours and money adding any other way of playing this game other then RTMS. Therefore scrap the game and start over and this time only allow one type of swing. LMAO yeah... sure... that will keep the lights on without a doubt.   

[bortimus]

AwYea, on 07 Mar 2016 - 9:58 PM, said:

Put as simple as possible. You're missing out on the total game design by playing 3C or RTS-C.

 

The game is ultimately designed for MS & RTS-M. It's what separates it from any other golf game. It's VERY in-depth and some people haven't totally figured this out yet.

 

Comparing the TGC game play mechanics to PG is like comparing the space shuttle to  one of them little wooden airplanes you use to get powered by a rubber band.

 

Not bashing if you have a preferred way of play and that's it, but this game was designed to be a sim and my suggestion to pair people competitively based on sim swing styles is accurate.

The game is for everyone at every level.  

[AwYea]

I didn't say then game wasn't for eveyone at every level. Damn! I'm saying if your trying to pair fair competitive tournamets you got to take into account the fact it was designed to be the ultimate sim. Playing PG with anything other than a simulator, which you can, is like using an assisit.

 

out...

[sirputterman]

bortimus, on 07 Mar 2016 - 10:12 PM, said:

The game is for everyone at every level.  

 

 

 

Well it should be anyways.

[mebby]

AwYea, on 07 Mar 2016 - 10:05 PM, said:

mebby, you may not agree, but the proof is in the current PG pudding. it's justy like you can't have a racing sim the plays out the same on a gamepad like it does a real racing wheel.

Well your view happens to be extremely narrow sighted.  It's your view and I don't care to change it but I just completely disagree with what you said that's all.

 

Go out and play 3C on TP and tell me what you shoot.  It may be your opinion that 3C is awfully boring but that doesn't mean that others can't like it.  It's like saying that the ONLY way to bowl is by using a certain form and trying to curl every ball for a strike and that someone that prefers to walk up to the lane and throw it straight down the middle just doesn't get the essence of the game.

[sirputterman]

I'm glad there is no "elitism" attitudes in the game though. Whew  thought I was dreaming there for a moment.   

[Buck]

Clearly we will need leaderboards for absolutely every single possible thing…

…to be fair   

 

Should be about 4 people in each group at the end of the day...  LOL

 

 

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[Ted_Ball]

Look, Neanderthals co-existed with Homo sapiens for a while. Same deal.

 

 

What's with the Mexican Stand-Off at Bandon RTS over at OGT?

[Buck]

Ted_Ball, on 07 Mar 2016 - 10:53 PM, said:

What's with the Mexican Stand-Off at Bandon RTS over at OGT?

 

Where do we go see that?

I'm in a mood to drive by the accident...

[JoeF]

Golden Bear, on 07 Mar 2016 - 9:27 PM, said:

I have tried to replicate this supposed 132% power on the range.  It is a fallacy.

 

No, it is not a fallacy.  Nor did I say it was easy to do, but it is possible if you hit your 2nd click at just the right instant.  On the other hand it's a rare occurrence so you would have every right to be skeptical.  

 

Managed to get a bit extra on this one.  To be totally honest the highest power percentage I have ever seen (once) was 142%.

 

[Ted_Ball]

___ buck ___, on 07 Mar 2016 - 10:56 PM, said:

Where do we go see that?

I'm in a mood to drive by the accident...

 

Put your 'auto refresh' live scoreboard on in the RTS tournament Buck. If they ever tee off it should be interesting.

 

I'm backing Armand.

[Golden Bear]

@ JoeF  Does the match on the distance concur with the 135% or is it just a number like the 122% is.  Because in no way is the driver obtaining 330 yards carry which is 122%.  If so, I stand corrected.

[mebby]

Ted_Ball, on 07 Mar 2016 - 10:53 PM, said:

Look, Neanderthals co-existed with Homo sapiens for a while. Same deal.

 

 

What's with the Mexican Stand-Off at Bandon RTS over at OGT?

I'll have to check it out!!

[Ted_Ball]

Justin has teed off. First round -11

[JoeF]

Golden Bear, on 07 Mar 2016 - 11:11 PM, said:

@ JoeF  Does the match on the distance concur with the 135% or is it just a number like the 122% is.  Because in no way is the driver obtaining 330 yards carry which is 122%.  If so, I stand corrected.

 

Percent power and distance are not a 1:1 relationship.  HIt your driver at 50% and it doesn't go 150 yards, more like 100-105.  The same idea holds true as you hit with more power.  At 122% on the range the total distance was 315 yards.  So that 22% increase in power only yields an extra 15 yards.  You create some additional distance (up to a point) but you create a lot more backspin.  Once you get beyond this you start getting into the territory where you will really balloon your shot (PG toned down the balloon effect with the driver but it is still there for the other woods and long irons) and start losing distance as the excessive backspin causes the ball to climb steeply and the additional power is eaten up as the ball climbs rather than moving forward on a more linear path.  One of the reasons for PG introducing different shaft and ball types down the road is to allow players to use shafts/balls that will allow them to get better trajectory control on their woods/long irons which cuts down on the ballooning effect when you overhit, much like the real pros do to keep their drives from ballooning.