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[MERACE]

Could it be that the left stick for those that normally use it for golf games has excessive wear?  

 

Prior to suffering from a severe cut on my left thumb I was a left stick swinger, but I've adapted to using the right stick quite nicely over time.  Give it some time John. 

 

 

-MERACE

[JCat04]

Wirenut48, on 11 Mar 2016 - 9:25 PM, said:

This is an interesting read, starliner and I both use a DS4. Like I stated above after he made some changes in the difficulty settings he couldn't get less than 30 deg with the left stick. Switching to the right stick he was getting less than 30 deg, which is the max you can get without using the shot setup. There must be a glitch that messes up the stick values, just need to find where that info is stored.

 

Wirenut, you've got a level of understanding about controller operation that far exceeds mine.  Are you saying that the maximum deviation that a controller can produce is 30 degrees?  I'm not sure what to make out of the swing feedback data on the practice range, because I've had reports of an in/out deviation of 117 degrees!?  Now I'm having a hard time reconciling what that number really means, all I know is that the higher it is, the more my shot hooks (or slices).  Furthermore, I also know I haven't hit a full shot that was reported as "on plane" with a full swing since January 26th.

 

This glitch you speak of that messes up the stick values sounds intriguing, but I have no idea where it could reside or how it could somehow get messed up to the point that it's causing the magnitude of deviation I'm experiencing.  Thankfully we've got Hacker difficulty to neuter it or I'd never see a fairway or green in regulation!  Sounds like I need to do some studying.

[JCat04]

The XB1 controller interface is not as functional as that of the XBox 360 and PS4 controllers in the current build.  They all need work because I still can't navigate to all the fields needed with any controller, but at least the D-pad functions all work and the select button works in the 360 and PS4 controllers.  The start button for the XB1 controller is working in the beta build I'm currently playing.  Is it not working in the current public build?

[JCat04]

MERACE, on 11 Mar 2016 - 10:49 PM, said:

Could it be that the left stick for those that normally use it for golf games has excessive wear?  

 

Prior to suffering from a severe cut on my left thumb I was a left stick swinger, but I've adapted to using the right stick quite nicely over time.  Give it some time John. 

 

 

-MERACE

 

 

Somebody will have to subject me to waterboarding before I become a right stick swinger!    Seriously, old habits die hard.  In the end, I think PP will work this problem out. 

[Buck]

JCat04, on 12 Mar 2016 - 12:50 AM, said:

The start button for the XB1 controller is working in the beta build I'm currently playing. 

Is it not working in the current public build?

 

Correct

[yesrushdt]

JCat04, on 11 Mar 2016 - 7:50 PM, said:

Meanwhile, we still don't have any leads on a list of officially supported controllers.  I'll start compiling a list or the ones that I know will work:

 

XBox 360 (wired and wireless)

XBox One

PlayStation 4 DS4

Gamestop Xbox 360

 

 

I was using an old Xbox 360 controller, however now I'm using an (older) Logitech Rumblepad 2 (the game thinks it's a Logitech F710).  The Logitech seems to work better for controlling the free camera, although it can still be challenging getting it centered (using the left analog stick) right behind the ball to read putts.  Seems like another example of the game making the left analog stick more sensitive than the right.

[mebby]

yesrushdt, on 12 Mar 2016 - 01:31 AM, said:

I was using an old Xbox 360 controller, however now I'm using an (older) Logitech Rumblepad 2 (the game thinks it's a Logitech F710).  The Logitech seems to work better for controlling the free camera, although it can still be challenging getting it centered (using the left analog stick) right behind the ball to read putts.  Seems like another example of the game making the left analog stick more sensitive than the right.

Never thought about this but I think you're right.  I have a HELL of a time controlling the Free Cam with the left stick so perhaps it IS more sensitive than the right stick.  I swing with the right stick.  I'll do some testing with the left stick and see what I find.

[Wirenut48]

The max swing path that I can achieve is 30 deg with swinging the stick offline no matter the difficulty level. I done some extensive testing on all the settings and effects, so here it is.

 

First, the presets set the max amount of off axis for a 30 deg swing path. Hacker 6 deg, Am 12, Pro 18, TP 24. Now you can increase that by 15 deg with max draw/fade in the shot setup at all levels.

 

Next is snap assist, a better terminology for mouse and controller would be swing path assist. Though I can't really confirm there may be some forgiveness on the X axis. Mainly it changes the ratio between the controller swing path and the in game swing path. In the driving range the first set of numbers you see after after impact at the lower right is the controller path input readings. The post shot is the results of the difficulty setting multiplier. Max is a true 1:1 between controller and in game. Mod is a 1:2, where 5 deg nets 10 deg in game, Min 1:3, Off 1:4. So Off, a 7 deg swing path will net 28 deg, anything above will net you the 30 deg max. If you try to angle the controller more than 30 deg you will start to lose distance or not even be able to take a full swing.

 

Last the sweet spot settings, at first I didn't think this had any effect. Where this has an effect is in the over swing. Max setting has no effect with over swing, any of the other settings (Mod, Min, Off) have the same effect, they increase the snap ratio by 1. So playing Mod snap difficulty, 100 percent power and under is a 1:2 swing path ratio, and over 100 becomes a 1:3 ratio. Min dif 1:3/1:4, Off 1:4/1:4, as you can see 1:4 is the max ratio. Exception to the rule is Max snap where it's a 1&1/2 ratio for over swing (4 degrees nets 6).

 

The settings I'm playing with now are, TP preset for max 24 deg off axis, Max Snap for a true 1:1 ratio, and sweet spot Min for a bit of variation of ratio. Though I do like TP, Mod, Max as it does play like AM but with the max off axis. For a default preset I'll stay with AM as I enjoy working the ball with my swing, anything over a 1:2 ratio becomes too hard to do. 

 

So the answer to your question, John, from what I have experienced 30 deg should be the Max.

[mebby]

mebby, on 12 Mar 2016 - 02:49 AM, said:

Never thought about this but I think you're right.  I have a HELL of a time controlling the Free Cam with the left stick so perhaps it IS more sensitive than the right stick.  I swing with the right stick.  I'll do some testing with the left stick and see what I find.

So how do I enable left stick swing?

[Wirenut48]

You can change swing types in player settings, but I really don't believe ones more sensitive than the other. It would make sense that the left stick movement of the free cam would be faster as it was designed more to travel distances faster, not precision movements.

[StoneComet]

Wow some good work being done here. I use an Xbox One controller. My suspicion is that there is something wrong on the PP end with regards with this controller and the left and right swing selection. Not surprising as RTS-C is so new to the game. I'll bet it will be worked out and corrected soon.

 

I am left handed but learned to play golf right handed so I am slightly ambidextrous. Mainly because in the beginning right handed clubs were more available when I learned the game. I still play better right handed even though I tried to switch to left irl. I play the game with left swing RTS-C as that is my most comfortable way to play. Odd thing I can't throw a Frisbee for nuts left handed. I'd literally hit you in the head if you were standing next to me or maybe even a little behind me to the side in most cases. I bat better left handed although I'm not terrible right handed either. I write left handed but if I practice enough can write right handed legibly.

 

Well enough of my bio. I have a Logitech F310 I'm going to try out and I'll test the Xbox One right stick to see what that does. Thanks for all the insight and testing. Really enjoying the game so far.

 

My preliminary results are that either the Xbox One or F310 are much easier to keep the ball on plane with right stick enabled. I was able to get more than 30 in/out or out/in though. We are saying that it should max out at 30 regardless, correct? The F310 is recognized correctly but yields similar results. I did find the right stick seemed a bit too easy to keep the ball on plane, especially with the F310. I also had the experience on the practice range of my first swing when switching stick sides did not animate the ball movement at all. It remained on the tee but  if I waited I got the post feedback window with what looked like actual data.

[JCat04]

Wirenut48, on 12 Mar 2016 - 03:16 AM, said:

The max swing path that I can achieve is 30 deg with swinging the stick offline no matter the difficulty level. I done some extensive testing on all the settings and effects, so here it is.

 

First, the presets set the max amount of off axis for a 30 deg swing path. Hacker 6 deg, Am 12, Pro 18, TP 24. Now you can increase that by 15 deg with max draw/fade in the shot setup at all levels.

 

Next is snap assist, a better terminology for mouse and controller would be swing path assist. Though I can't really confirm there may be some forgiveness on the X axis. Mainly it changes the ratio between the controller swing path and the in game swing path. In the driving range the first set of numbers you see after after impact at the lower right is the controller path input readings. The post shot is the results of the difficulty setting multiplier. Max is a true 1:1 between controller and in game. Mod is a 1:2, where 5 deg nets 10 deg in game, Min 1:3, Off 1:4. So Off, a 7 deg swing path will net 28 deg, anything above will net you the 30 deg max. If you try to angle the controller more than 30 deg you will start to lose distance or not even be able to take a full swing.

 

Last the sweet spot settings, at first I didn't think this had any effect. Where this has an effect is in the over swing. Max setting has no effect with over swing, any of the other settings (Mod, Min, Off) have the same effect, they increase the snap ratio by 1. So playing Mod snap difficulty, 100 percent power and under is a 1:2 swing path ratio, and over 100 becomes a 1:3 ratio. Min dif 1:3/1:4, Off 1:4/1:4, as you can see 1:4 is the max ratio. Exception to the rule is Max snap where it's a 1&1/2 ratio for over swing (4 degrees nets 6).

 

The settings I'm playing with now are, TP preset for max 24 deg off axis, Max Snap for a true 1:1 ratio, and sweet spot Min for a bit of variation of ratio. Though I do like TP, Mod, Max as it does play like AM but with the max off axis. For a default preset I'll stay with AM as I enjoy working the ball with my swing, anything over a 1:2 ratio becomes too hard to do. 

 

So the answer to your question, John, from what I have experienced 30 deg should be the Max.

 

Great work here Wirenut!  I'm not in a position to test this right now, but here's what I can recall of my experience with what you've described above.   IIRC, there are two sets of feedback reported on the practice range.  One appears immediated after impact in the lower left corner, and it's the one where I see % power, gain/loss, in/out.  It is there that I typically see the 50 to 90 in/out number, and I may be attaching deg. to that, but it might not actually be degrees.  After the ball has come to rest, another feedback report shows up and it usually reports 12 degrees draw, among other numbers.  I think I had my player difficulty set to Amateur during the time I was paying attention to this for the most part, and that fits the limits you've described.

 

Does anyone else not get this 50 to 90 in/out or out/in numbers in their immediate feedback report on the practice range?  The report that shows in the lower left corner immediately after impact?  That"s the numbers I'm turning to 5 to 20, simply by using the right thumbstick of the DS4.

[JCat04]

mebby, on 12 Mar 2016 - 03:28 AM, said:

So how do I enable left stick swing?

 

I think in the player settings screen it's right there beneath Player Handedness, where you choose right or left hang avatar, the next line is "controller handedness".  You can change it there.  I *think* it defaults to right.

[Wirenut48]

I'm assuming the immediate figures after impact are the values picked up from the controller, as they are consistent, where the post shot varies depending on settings. I can get more than 30 with the impact values, but swinging the stick at that much of an angle I can't even get a full swing, the post shot still reads 30. So it could be that the input values from the different controllers still need some tweaking.

[yesrushdt]

Yeah RTS-C definitely needs some major tweaking.  I do good with the right analog stick playing offline, however when I play with it online I'm back to hitting a bad slice most of the time.  So frustrating.  I might as well give up on the controller until they get it fixed.

[Safetyman]

I'm using an X1 Elite controller and I have the same issue with the D-pad; the up and down work fine, but the left and right don't do anything. Everything else works well.

[samterrence]

uninstall perfect golf and all steam accounts and folders re boot your computer and do a fresh install of steam and perfect golf. I was having the same issues with the vicious left hook shot until I did this. now its fixed slight draw about 2 to 4 degrees I an now shooting around level par again YIPPEE enjoying the game again.

Hope this works for all you fellow golfers

[golfgod8]

still waiting on the patch to fix the x-box 1 controller issue

[JCat04]

samterrence, on 13 Mar 2016 - 10:42 PM, said:

uninstall perfect golf and all steam accounts and folders re boot your computer and do a fresh install of steam and perfect golf. I was having the same issues with the vicious left hook shot until I did this. now its fixed slight draw about 2 to 4 degrees I an now shooting around level par again YIPPEE enjoying the game again.

Hope this works for all you fellow golfers

 

I just got home from work an hour ago and am reading your post.  I've already tried uninstalling and reinstalling Perfect Golf, to no avail.  I'll go the rest of the distance and uninstall Steam accounts and folders.  I'm having trouble seeing how this could cure the problems with one family of controllers (Xbox), while Sony controllers seem to be immune to whatever it is, but I've seen stranger things in my gaming days. 

 

I may disappear off the grid for a while, but if I do, you'll know why.  Thanks for giving me the impetus to give this a go.  A sub 30 degree hook would be worth it all though!

[JCat04]

samterrence, on 13 Mar 2016 - 10:42 PM, said:

uninstall perfect golf and all steam accounts and folders re boot your computer and do a fresh install of steam and perfect golf. I was having the same issues with the vicious left hook shot until I did this. now its fixed slight draw about 2 to 4 degrees I an now shooting around level par again YIPPEE enjoying the game again.

Hope this works for all you fellow golfers

 

Sam, I'm back with my report.  I uninstalled Perfect Golf, Steam, all of my Steam accounts and folders, powered my PC completely down, booted up and reinstalled everything.  The results?  No difference.  The Xbox 360 and XB1 controllers perform the same as before as does the Sony DS4 controller, which I can still hit within 10 degrees of on plane every time with the right thumbstick.  It wasn't as much effort or time to do this as I thought and it was worth a shot since it's obviously working for some.

 

I'm going to follow up on this a little bit more in a reply to Wirenut's latest comment in this thread, because I picked up something more in doing this that could help clarify what he's finding and helping others understand the data we're getting.