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[JCat04]

I'm curious to see how consistent the results people using RTS-C are in the current 1.3.9.1 build.  If you'd be willing to do a little work for science, I'm sure that I along with the development team would benefit from seeing what your results would be from the following test.

 

Go to the Practice Range and set the difficulty to "Hacker".  Using your driver, hit 25 shots, making sure you are between 95 and 110% power with each stroke.  Take note of the post shot feedback report (the one that appears in the lower right corner of the screen after the ball has come to rest).  Notice what your in/out out/in path was in degrees, and what degree draw, fade or "on plane" is shown on this screen for each shot.

 

My test went like this:

   In/Out                 Out/In                  Draw              Fade

18 (30 Deg)        7 (30 Deg)         18 (6 Deg)         7 (6 Deg)

 

My results were achieved with the left thumbstick of my wired XBox 360 controller.  I find it interesting that I can't fined anything between the extremes with my swing path.  It's either one or the other.  Last night I was in two different  9 hole matches online, and naturally, every time I aligned my tee shot or approach shot for my tendency to draw, I hit a fade, but isn't that golf?

[Vernon520]

Okay Cat I'm on it. I'll post the test results as soon as I have them.

Results:

In/Out 7 (30 deg)          Out/In 3 ( 30 deg )           Draw  7 ( 6 deg)    Fade 3 ( 6 deg)   15 ( OP )

Using wired Xbox 360 copy.

[Mike Jones]

6 degree in to out

1 degree out to in

2 degree out to in

2 degree in to out

 

I hit a bunch more but these were all in the same ballpark. When I purposefully swung offline I got an 'out to in' of 44. The feedback at end of swing and feedback at end of shot was pretty much always within 1 or 2 of each other on the less extreme shots.

 

Wired xbox360 controller

 

If its any help my gain number is around 14% indicating a slightly shorter backswing followed by a fairly quick downswing.

[Buck]

So gain is the measure of back vs down swing speed ratio of sorts?

Or distance of back / down swings?

[Mike Jones]

___ buck ___, on 16 Mar 2016 - 3:59 PM, said:

So gain is the measure of back vs down swing speed ratio of sorts?

Or distance of back / down swings?

 

Gain is the % extra power you create by the speed of your forward swing. The top speed is capped at 122%

[Buck]

Mike Jones, on 16 Mar 2016 - 4:03 PM, said:

Gain is the % extra power you create by the speed of your forward swing. The top speed is capped at 122%

So if the backswing and downswing speeds are equal, gain would be 0%?

Do I have that right?

[Mike Jones]

No, there is no ratio on controller swing.

 

Regarding gain, here is a threshold at which you will start to 'gain' speed if your downswing is fast enough. How much is enough is something you will have to experiment with - it's a skill to be learned.

 

I get my best results from swinging a little shorter and swinging down faster, some people will like to swing longer but slower coming down which will net the same speed result but it's nice to have options so you can develop a feel which is personal to you.

[JCat04]

Interesting results so far and I'm not shocked to see that others are faring better than me with their controllers.  I'm learning some more details about controller performance in my experimentation based on the results of what you've reported so far.  For example, if I switch to the right thumbstick of that same wired XBox 360 controller that never lets me hit anything inside of 30 degrees in/out or out/in, I'm consistently inside of 20 degrees and quite often between 10 a 14 degrees with it.

 

I plugged in an older wireless Xbox 360 controller that I've had since 2009.  About 1/3 of my shots with the left thumbstick on it were between 24 and 30 degrees, but the highest I saw in the real time path deviation report was 54 degree, unlike the 90 degrees I see, on occasion, when using my newest corded controller.  This controller has a drifting right stick though.  Imagine being lined up and ready to hit a putt, and suddenly aim starts drifting to the right on its own.... (sigh).  I tried an even older wireless Xbox 360 controller yet struggled with it on the left thumbstick as much as my newest wired controller.

 

Here's the deal though, with each of these controllers, I get significantly better and more consistent results with the right thumbstick... ALL of them!  I should also emphasize that when I plugged up each of these controllers, I went into Control Panel and performed a new calibration on them to make sure the data wasn't being skewed by all of them being referenced to one controller's calibration.

 

So the lesson that I *should* learn from this is to quit whining and start playing the game with the right thumbstick swing, right?  Hardheads like me don't swallow lessons like this very well.  A.) I don't like the feel of swinging the right thumbstick because of its placement on the controller body and it feels like a right handed dominated swing, which usually doesn't bode well for a right-handed golfer. B.)  I don't have as much feel with the right thumbstick and touch shots (pitches, flops, chips, putts) are more like pot shots.  I can score slightly better with the right thumbstick, overall, but I don't enjoy the gameplay as much because I miss the location and feel of the left thumbstick on the asymmetrical Xbox 360 controller.  It is the price one must pay to be an asymmetrical controller snob, I guess

[Vernon520]

Cat you are aware of my issues with my XB 360 official controller I am sure. Like you I use the left thumb stick (seems more natural to me) but tried the Right thumb stick and was getting much closer to straight shots, just a few degrees In/Out, so it may be a duff sensor.

Nevertheless, kind of falls into line with your post #8.

[Wirenut48]

Bottom line, if you can't get less than 30 deg with your controller then the configuration is corrupted. I have not had it happen using the DS4 but my buddy has a couple of times and he uses the left stick where I use the right. I'm believing it may be happening when switching between difficulty settings as that would change the values of the stick. And when it happens to the left stick the right still works OK, go figure.

 

This definitely it not happening to everyone using the same controller. So where is this data being stored and How can we fix it? Is it hard coded, data file, or stored in the cloud?

[JCat04]

Vernon, I'm not far from buying another controller because of suspicion about the left thumbstick on all of my current stock.  My wired XBox 360 controller is less than two years old, but my sons use it on their computer games, so I don't know what sort of abuse it could have gotten from that.  I'm of the mind to try an Afterglow XBox 360 controller because I've read it has a bigger deadzone than the stock XBox 360 controllers.  The problem there again though, if it has a larger deadzone in one axis, it's going to have a larger one in the other, thereby making the touch stroke feel more "sloppy".

 

One thing I don't know about the Afterglow controller is how Windows, and more importantly, Perfect Golf sees it.  My son's friend has a Horipad 4 FPS controller that he uses with his PlayStation 4.  He heard me commenting about what I didn't like about this low placement of the left thumbstick on the Sony DS4, and pointed out that on the Horipad 4, the left thumbstick is mounted in the same place on the controller body as the Xbox 360's/Xbox One.  I plugged it into my PC and Windows 10 recognized it as a Horipad 4 controller, and let me do a calibration on it.   When I then tried to play Perfect Golf with it, the opening screen in the Main Menu, where you pick which controller to use, it listed the Horipad 4 as "Unknown Controller" and wouldn't let me select it.  I had to alt-tab out of Perfect Golf and kill it by closing the window in the task bar.

 

I'm almost afraid to buy an Afterglow controller for fear Perfect Golf would see it as an "Unknown Controller".  I could have sworn that someone in this forum said they were using an Afterglow controller though... I'll have to search and see what I can find.

[Vernon520]

Wirenut48, on 16 Mar 2016 - 7:03 PM, said:

Bottom line, if you can't get less than 30 deg with your controller then the configuration is corrupted. I have not had it happen using the DS4 but my buddy has a couple of times and he uses the left stick where I use the right. I'm believing it may be happening when switching between difficulty settings as that would change the values of the stick. And when it happens to the left stick the right still works OK, go figure.

 

This definitely it not happening to everyone using the same controller. So where is this data being stored and How can we fix it? Is it hard coded, data file, or stored in the cloud?

I believe it is to do with individual controllers. Some seem to work better than others. I am experimenting with a number of different controllers to see if my theory is correct or not.

[JCat04]

 I just did a search... dlocke1962 said he'd bought an Afterglow Xbox 360 controller for this game and it was working well.... off to Best Buy

[JCat04]

Wirenut48, on 16 Mar 2016 - 7:03 PM, said:

Bottom line, if you can't get less than 30 deg with your controller then the configuration is corrupted. I have not had it happen using the DS4 but my buddy has a couple of times and he uses the left stick where I use the right. I'm believing it may be happening when switching between difficulty settings as that would change the values of the stick. And when it happens to the left stick the right still works OK, go figure.

 

This definitely it not happening to everyone using the same controller. So where is this data being stored and How can we fix it? Is it hard coded, data file, or stored in the cloud?

 

I wish I knew Wirenut, I can take my DS4 controller and come in under 20 degrees every time with the left thumbstick, and usually 5 to 10 degrees with the right, with an on plane swing once in a while.  It's a total head-scratcher to me!

[Acrilix]

I seem to remember this left stick sensitivity problem was also an issue on TGC for a while until HB fixed it, so my guess is that the coding needed maybe different for the two thumbsticks even though you would expect them to be the same.

[Vernon520]

JCat04, on 16 Mar 2016 - 7:13 PM, said:

Vernon, I'm not far from buying another controller because of suspicion about the left thumbstick on all of my current stock.  My wired XBox 360 controller is less than two years old, but my sons use it on their computer games, so I don't know what sort of abuse it could have gotten from that.  I'm of the mind to try an Afterglow XBox 360 controller because I've read it has a bigger deadzone than the stock XBox 360 controllers.  The problem there again though, if it has a larger deadzone in one axis, it's going to have a larger one in the other, thereby making the touch stroke feel more "sloppy".

 

One thing I don't know about the Afterglow controller is how Windows, and more importantly, Perfect Golf sees it.  My son's friend has a Horipad 4 FPS controller that he uses with his PlayStation 4.  He heard me commenting about what I didn't like about this low placement of the left thumbstick on the Sony DS4, and pointed out that on the Horipad 4, the left thumbstick is mounted in the same place on the controller body as the Xbox 360's/Xbox One.  I plugged it into my PC and Windows 10 recognized it as a Horipad 4 controller, and let me do a calibration on it.   When I then tried to play Perfect Golf with it, the opening screen in the Main Menu, where you pick which controller to use, it listed the Horipad 4 as "Unknown Controller" and wouldn't let me select it.  I had to alt-tab out of Perfect Golf and kill it by closing the window in the task bar.

 

I'm almost afraid to buy an Afterglow controller for fear Perfect Golf would see it as an "Unknown Controller".  I could have sworn that someone in this forum said they were using an Afterglow controller though... I'll have to search and see what I can find.

All controllers made for the Xbox will be reconised by your PC as long as you have Windows OS. They should work with PG, however there may be issues if Microsoft don't support the controller or endorse it. There also may be a driver issue. See if the controller has the support of the latest drivers.

You will have to do a search for those as I don't have a link for it.

I would suggest that for the Afterglow, go and do some research and look at some reviews before buying. If it doesn't work on here you can always ask for a refund if you decide to buy it.

Tomorrow I should get my new Datel controller and I know I may have issues with that but if I do then it will go back from where it came from and I shall be looking a Xeox controller.

[MERACE]

JCat04, on 16 Mar 2016 - 7:13 PM, said:

I plugged it into my PC and Windows 10 recognized it as a Horipad 4 controller, and let me do a calibration on it.   When I then tried to play Perfect Golf with it, the opening screen in the Main Menu, where you pick which controller to use, it listed the Horipad 4 as "Unknown Controller" and wouldn't let me select it.  I had to alt-tab out of Perfect Golf and kill it by closing the window in the task bar.
 
I'm almost afraid to buy an Afterglow controller for fear Perfect Golf would see it as an "Unknown Controller".  I could have sworn that someone in this forum said they were using an Afterglow controller though... I'll have to search and see what I can find.

The anti-cheat system in PG detected the Horipad 4 controller and deactivated it. J/K.

I don't think you will have any problem using the Afterglow controller in PG.


-MERACE

[Vernon520]

MERACE, on 16 Mar 2016 - 7:28 PM, said:

The anti-cheat system in PG detected the Horipad 4 controller and deactivated it. J/K.

I don't think you will have any problem using the Afterglow controller in PG.


-MERACE

That is interesting to know and could be useful to bear in mind for the future.

[MERACE]

Vernon520,

 

I was only kidding about the Horipad4 (hence the J/K).

 

However, Horipad's are known for the capability of locking the x-axis to 0 deviation if a person wants to.  I would hope that PG already has or eventually with have something in the code to detect these types of controller exploits.

 

 

-MERACE

[JCat04]

MERACE, on 16 Mar 2016 - 7:28 PM, said:

The anti-cheat system in PG detected the Horipad 4 controller and deactivated it. J/K.

I don't think you will have any problem using the Afterglow controller in PG.


-MERACE

 

That was the first thought that popped into my mind!  Then I thought about it, wasn't it the case that the DS4 wasn't recognized by Perfect Golf earlier?  They added support for it later on in beta, IIRC.  Does Perfect Parallel want a Horipad 4 controller to be compatible with their game?  I dunno...  For kicks, I played TGC (which did recognized it, or probably better yet, didn't 'throw this unknown controller out') with the Horipad 4 controller.  I noticed absolutely no difference between it and my XBox 360 and XBox one in terms of performance there.  I had that same ever so slight bow in my swingplane with it that I see with the XBox controllers.  I was curious to see if Perfect Golf would process it any differently.

 

Oh, here's another little interesting tidbit about controller differences.  I noticed that during the Windows 10 calibration of all of my XBox controller sticks, none of them returned to dead center after I'd hit the four corners with the "D pad" (why does Windows call the left thumbstick the "D" pad on a gamepad controller.... furthermore, why is the calibration of the left thumbstick in Windows control panel a totally different methodology than the right!?) and then told to hit a button on the controller with the stick in the neutral position.  The only ones that did return to dead center was my Sony DS4 controller and the Horipad 4 controller that my son's friend had brought over

 

Finally, would an Afterglow controller be held to the same questionable standard as a Horipad?  I'd buy another wired XBox 360 controller if I thought it was just a question of wear, but the one I have is my newest controller, by far, and it delivers the worst performance with its left thumbstick of all of the controllers I've tested.... by far.