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[Vernon520]

Controllers seem to be a bit of an issue Cat. I don't think it will be easy to find a totally suitable one. Anyway, I can't think of another game that requires a L thumb stick to be used so precisely as it needs to be in this game.

In most games it is for forward movement that does need to be really spot on.

Oh well never mind, I suppose. Sigh!

[JCat04]

I held off of what I felt was going to be an impulse buy of the Afterglow XBox 360 controller yesterday, but after finishing the OGT RTS Florida "Pro" tournament at +104, with a low round of 92, and going from 3-28 in online matchplay to 3-33 this morning with my Microsoft XBox 360 controller, I decided it's time I reclassified it as a survival buy!

[dlocke1962]

I use an afterglow without to many issues. I had an older 360 3rd party controller...forget who made it...but PG would not recognize it a s a controller. The afterglow has worked perfect for me. I originally purchased an xbox controller but the sticks are wonky on them for PC gaming so I picked up the AG and have loved it. I was unable to get an official MS controller to calibrate but the AG seems to go back to center every time. I am not the best player so as far as feel with the short game I don't really have an issue with the AG but then again it could be that I am just not good enough to know the difference. I will do your original test and post results using my AG

[yesrushdt]

I really think I'd have the same problem playing PG with a brand new Xbox 360 controller as I currently have with my 10 year old Xbox 360 controller.  I don't have issues using it on any other game on my PC.  Has to be something wrong with the game (like the controller coding as many have talked about).

[dlocke1962]

Results are in...Using AfterGlow controller with 3.00 Sensitivity

 

    In/Out               Out/In               Draw               Fade

     8(1Deg)            2(1Deg)          5(-1%)              2(2%)

    2(2Deg)             1(7Deg)

     2(4Deg)            1(9Deg)

     3(3Deg)

     1(10Deg)

6(OP)

[dlocke1962]

OK I have to say... doing this really does make me scratch my head. How can i suck so bad on a course and hit so well on the range. Oh thats right it's golf and PG is a perfect simulation of the real world so just like real golf I hit great at range and suck on the course

[Vernon520]

JCat04, on 17 Mar 2016 - 4:45 PM, said:

I held off of what I felt was going to be an impulse buy of the Afterglow XBox 360 controller yesterday, but after finishing the OGT RTS Florida "Pro" tournament at +104, with a low round of 92, and going from 3-28 in online matchplay to 3-33 this morning with my Microsoft XBox 360 controller, I decided it's time I reclassified it as a survival buy!

I have just found my ideal controller. It is the Speedlink XEOX Pro Analog Gamepad. Absolutely superb. Responsive, positive and as smooth as silk. A joy to use. I don't hold it, I caress it. Fits my hands like a well made pair of gloves and not very expensive. Oh happy days.

Now if I could get just a few more shots on plane then I will be in 7th heaven.

[JCat04]

dlocke1962, on 17 Mar 2016 - 6:30 PM, said:

Results are in...Using AfterGlow controller with 3.00 Sensitivity

 

    In/Out               Out/In               Draw               Fade

     8(1Deg)            2(1Deg)          5(-1%)              2(2%)

    2(2Deg)             1(7Deg)

     2(4Deg)            1(9Deg)

     3(3Deg)

     1(10Deg)

6(OP)

 

Thanks for posting your results dlocke.  Were all of those obtained with the left thumbstick?  If so, I see some hope for me in them!

[JCat04]

Vernon520, on 17 Mar 2016 - 6:46 PM, said:

I have just found my ideal controller. It is the Speedlink XEOX Pro Analog Gamepad. Absolutely superb. Responsive, positive and as smooth as silk. A joy to use. I don't hold it, I caress it. Fits my hands like a well made pair of gloves and not very expensive. Oh happy days.

Now if I could get just a few more shots on plane then I will be in 7th heaven.

 

I just checked this one out... hadn't seen it before.  What does Windows see it as: an XBox 360, a DS4, or does it have its own Windows device name?  It looks good and the reviews certainly seem mostly positive.  The only thing that I'm concerned about at this point is that it looks like it's purely wireless?

 

Wireless controllers are fine with me in most cases, but they can be a problem with Perfect Golf, at least in its current state.  Why?  When it times out and powers down, Perfect Golf won't recognize it as being "connected" even though Windows does.  You have to alt-tab out and close Perfect Golf's window from the task bar, and start all over again.  Hopefully though, this is something PP can fix in later builds.

 

Just curious, did you go through the Windows calibration with it?  Finally, are you getting similar results with it from the left and right thumbsticks, at least in Perfect Golf?

[Vernon520]

JCat04, on 17 Mar 2016 - 8:12 PM, said:

I just checked this one out... hadn't seen it before.  What does Windows see it as: an XBox 360, a DS4, or does it have its own Windows device name?  It looks good and the reviews certainly seem mostly positive.  The only thing that I'm concerned about at this point is that it looks like it's purely wireless?

 

Wireless controllers are fine with me in most cases, but they can be a problem with Perfect Golf, at least in its current state.  Why?  When it times out and powers down, Perfect Golf won't recognize it as being "connected" even though Windows does.  You have to alt-tab out and close Perfect Golf's window from the task bar, and start all over again.  Hopefully though, this is something PP can fix in later builds.

 

Just curious, did you go through the Windows calibration with it?  Finally, are you getting similar results with it from the left and right thumbsticks, at least in Perfect Golf?

No problems at all Cat. Just load the disc and it will be reconised as a 360 controller. I have the wired version. It also has a matte black rubberdised finish, so no sweaty hands to be had.

It is about the same size as the XBOX 360 and the L stick is great, really smooth and positive, neither stiff nor floppy. If you must have another controller then I highly recommend this little gem.

P.S. Results from the practice ground very positive.

[Vernon520]

To Cat: Update.

Played my first round of golf at Southampton links. Not a great score but no worse than my other scores since using RTS-C.

The round was very enjoyable. The new XEOX worked extremely well. Remained absolutely smooth throughout the whole round and gave me more of a feeling of using a natural golf swing which my other controllers never did.

This controller is perfect for this game IMO, as I said above, it is a real little gem, no doubt.

[JCat04]

Vernon520, on 17 Mar 2016 - 9:21 PM, said:

To Cat: Update.

Played my first round of golf at Southampton links. Not a great score but no worse than my other scores since using RTS-C.

The round was very enjoyable. The new XEOX worked extremely well. Remained absolutely smooth throughout the whole round and gave me more of a feeling of using a natural golf swing which my other controllers never did.

This controller is perfect for this game IMO, as I said above, it is a real little gem, no doubt.

 

Thanks for the report.  Have you tried going to the range and hitting balls with both the left and right thumbsticks?  I'm just curious to see if the XEOX continues the trend we're seeing out of seemingly every other controller, where the right thumbstick - for whatever reasons - seems to lend itself to straighter shots.

[Vernon520]

JCat04, on 18 Mar 2016 - 11:53 AM, said:

Thanks for the report.  Have you tried going to the range and hitting balls with both the left and right thumbsticks?  I'm just curious to see if the XEOX continues the trend we're seeing out of seemingly every other controller, where the right thumbstick - for whatever reasons - seems to lend itself to straighter shots.

Not yet however I only use the L stick as it is more natural for backward and forward movement but I will test the R stick and see.

[Vernon520]

Vernon520, on 18 Mar 2016 - 12:24 PM, said:

Not yet however I only use the L stick as it is more natural for backward and forward movement but I will test the R stick and see.

Okay, test on the practice ground and on Bandon Dunes.

I'm sure it will come as no surprise to you that R stick is even more positive than the L.

However it would be fair to say that the L stick has had more use than the R and the positivity of the R stick may slacken of a bit as yet.

Overall I found it more difficult to hit a shot off of plane than to hit one on plane which really comes back to my original conclusions that all controllers are different and produce differing results..

Shots on plane were around 97% whereas the L stick shots on plane are about 75-80%.

Hope this helps.

[dlocke1962]

Cat sorry these were all right stick... I am not much for anything with my left hand. It is pretty mush useless, has a mind of its own. I tried to hit a few with the left stick and splayed them all over the range. Not controllers fault, I could of turned of the x-axis and still would have not been able to hit straight with the left stick.

[JCat04]

I now have an Afgerglow XBox 360 controller in my collection and have hit 50 balls on the practice range with it and played 9 holes?  Is it the Excalibur of the Perfect Golf controller world?  No.  I plugged it up and calibrated in the Windows 10 control panel.  I then took it to the practice range and didn't get a warm fuzzy when I only hit 2 of 50 shots (with the elusive left thumbstick of course) with less than 30 degrees of in/out or out/in swingpaths.  Then again, I haven't hit one shot of less than 30 degrees with the left thumbstick on my Microsoft controllers since January 28th.

 

I played 9 holes with it at Cape Fear (back nine) and shot 45, which is probably about 6 or 7 strokes higher than I would have taken with my Microsoft XBox 360 controller.  Why, you might ask?  The Afterglow may yield slightly straighter, overall, full shots, but it is lacking sensitivity in the Y axis just as much as it's lacking it in the X axis.  I blew chips and putts well beyond my normal deft touch with the Microsoft XBox controllers.  Even though I was keeping the ball more in play, just a smidgen, with the Afterglow on full shots, it just felt like it had no soul on the 40 yard, and in shots.

 

Bottom line, this wasn't the cure-all I'd hoped it was going to be and to be brutally honest, it "feels" like a $29.99 controller.  The thumbsticks are clunky and make an irritatingly "clacky" sound when you release them and allow them to return to center.   Thankfully, you can turn off the annoyingly bright LEDs that light this thing up like a Christmas tree, but in the end... the Afterglow XBox 360 controller isn't the ticket to the experience I want with controller play in Perfect Golf.

[Wirenut48]

I avoid the windows calibration tool like the plaque since it messed up a perfectly working joystick on me years back. Took me forever to get it working again fudging the travel limits to get it re-centered. It may work better now, but I have never found the need to use it. I don't believe game pads need calibration like some joysticks may do. I have needed to calibrate my CH controllers, but that was done through their software.

[JCat04]

Wirenut48, on 19 Mar 2016 - 06:59 AM, said:

I avoid the windows calibration tool like the plaque since it messed up a perfectly working joystick on me years back. Took me forever to get it working again fudging the travel limits to get it re-centered. It may work better now, but I have never found the need to use it. I don't believe game pads need calibration like some joysticks may do. I have needed to calibrate my CH controllers, but that was done through their software.

 

You kinda threw a scare into me with your story of messing up a working joystick via Windows calibration.  I've gotten to the point where I do it before every play of Perfect Golf.  I finally went back to my old reliable, XBox 360 Silver Edition wireless controller that I bought back in 2010 last night.  I hit six fairways and nine greens with it, but managed a 73.  I had a few nearly catastrophic fairway misses, but all of my green misses left me in a recoverable position.

 

I then took it to the range, where I was staying in the 40s and 50s (the live report, not the post shot compensated report) with my left thumbstick swing plane degree misses.  I then switched to the right thumbstick of the Silver Edition controller, where once again I saw radical tracking improvements.  All of my shots were between 4 degrees and 17 degrees of being on plane.  I wish I could make myself play with the right thumbstick, but my touch with it is so bad that I don't know what game I'm playing when you get me to where I have to play a partial wedge, a pitch, a chip, or especially a putt.  I can't get this sensual connection I've made between my left thumb representing my left arm in a right handed golf swing since 2003 out of my head!

 

I could stick with left thumbstick swinging in Hacker difficulty as long as the current tuning remains as is but the real downer for wireless controller users (which it looks like I'm more prone to be as long as I stick with my Silver Edition 360) is that when you take a break and leave Perfect Golf up long enough for the controller to time out and power down, Perfect Golf won't recognize it when you reconnect the controller, even though Windows does.  You then have to close the Perfect Golf window via task manager or the task bar, and start over again.  It's not fatal in most cases, but I do often lose track of a stream of chat I had going in public and pre-game chat boxes.

 

I think this is something that could be fixed though; I know it's not a problem with The Golf Club, although if you don't have a controller already connected *before* you launch The Golf Club, it won't recognize a controller is connected if you connect it after it has booted up.  Both PG and TGC require you to have the controllers connected or paired up prior to game launch.

[Greensboronclion]

I am starting to get the feeling there isn't a perfect controller for this game at this point and it really doesn't matter what I buy. I will buy the something tomorrow when I get home and give it a go and if it works fine and if not it just goes in pile of other stuff I have bought thru the years and it can keep my five extra mice company. An update with a patch might be what we need to make all well as all these controllers can't be bad. Just my two cents.

[KonaDawg]

Is anyone else using the steam controller (SC)? 

 

There is an issue where PG dose not recognize the controller and it wont let me do anything, no mouse movement, no controller movement, loads game just fine but then I cant do anything. I start big picture mode in steam with the SC, start the game it loads fine then no controls.

 

I have to exit the game, exit big picture mode, turn off the SC. Then I have to plug in my wired xbox 360 controller first then start the game thru steam using the mouse the game loads fine and it will let me mouse over to switch device type to controller. I have to close the game, turn on the SC, launch big picture mode, and start the game.  Then it will show that i have 2- 360 controllers connected and i have to guess which is the SC once the correct one has been picked I exit the game unplug the 360 and then the SC will work. I only had to do this once and the SC works every time after but if i switch to mouse control I then have to repeat the steps to get the SC to work again.

 

I'm having a blast with the right track pad using RTS-C and find the SC to be the best way to play the game from the couch if you like a challenge and find the xbox controller a little to easy.

 

Jcat the difference between left and right joysticks might be due to which one you use the most for playing games. If your a FPS gamer then the movement joystick is going to be more broke in and feel looser than the one not used. The one you use the least is going to have more snap.

 

I will do the 25 shot test and post my results using the steam controller.

 

I hope the Devs check this controller out.  

http://store.steampo...are/#Controller