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[Greensboronclion]

Just wondering if anyone is using the controller listed below.

Power A - Liquid Metal Wired Controller for Xbox One - Black

It's 34.99 at Bestbuy and looking for some input as I want a wired and my old Xbox 360 is pretty beat.. Any input appreciated.

[JCat04]

Greensboronclion, on 19 Mar 2016 - 3:27 PM, said:

Just wondering if anyone is using the controller listed below.

Power A - Liquid Metal Wired Controller for Xbox One - Black

It's 34.99 at Bestbuy and looking for some input as I want a wired and my old Xbox 360 is pretty beat.. Any input appreciated.

 

I hadn't seen that controller until you mentioned it here.  It's got a ton of good reviews at Best Buy though, and those commenting about it's use with the PC have nothing but praise for it there as well.   I like the looks of it, although the thumbsticks look a little bit taller than the stock controller.  That can be a good or a bad thing in golf games.  It can help you with your feel, but since the throw is a little longer, your swing path tracking errors could be greater if you tend to come from inside/out, like I do.

 

I bought the Afterglow Xbox 360 controller last night at Best Buy, and it wasn't the cure-all that I was hoping for.  In fact my scores are suffering just a little bit more when using it.  Even though I'm able to control my accuracy on full shots just a wee bit more with it, it lacks sensitivity and it's hard to gauge chips and putts with it.  It just doesn't have the quality, 'non-clacky sounding' return to center with its thumbsticks that the Microsoft controller has.

 

Finally, just as is the case with all of the other controllers I've tested in the last few weeks, I get straighter shots with the right thumbstick of the Afterglow than the left... considerably straighter!  This is counter to the golf game experience I've had with all of the Tiger Woods PGA Tour Golf games on the Xbox 360 and PS3 and The Golf Club on the PC and Xbox One.  With all of those, I hit the ball much straighter with the left thumbstick, thanks mostly to the higher placement of the left thumbstick on the asymmetrical Xbox controllers.  I'm really wondering if there's something funky about the way Perfect Golf reads the thumbsticks, relative to one another?

[Greensboronclion]

JCat04, on 19 Mar 2016 - 4:10 PM, said:

I hadn't seen that controller until you mentioned it here.  It's got a ton of good reviews at Best Buy though, and those commenting about it's use with the PC have nothing but praise for it there as well.   I like the looks of it, although the thumbsticks look a little bit taller than the stock controller.  That can be a good or a bad thing in golf games.  It can help you with your feel, but since the throw is a little longer, your swing path tracking errors could be greater if you tend to come from inside/out, like I do.
 
I bought the Afterglow Xbox 360 controller last night at Best Buy, and it wasn't the cure-all that I was hoping for.  In fact my scores are suffering just a little bit more when using it.  Even though I'm able to control my accuracy on full shots just a wee bit more with it, it lacks sensitivity and it's hard to gauge chips and putts with it.  It just doesn't have the quality, 'non-clacky sounding' return to center with its thumbsticks that the Microsoft controller has.
 
Finally, just as is the case with all of the other controllers I've tested in the last few weeks, I get straighter shots with the right thumbstick of the Afterglow than the left... considerably straighter!  This is counter to the golf game experience I've had with all of the Tiger Woods PGA Tour Golf games on the Xbox 360 and PS3 and The Golf Club on the PC and Xbox One.  With all of those, I hit the ball much straighter with the left thumbstick, thanks mostly to the higher placement of the left thumbstick on the asymmetrical Xbox controllers.  I'm really wondering if there's something funky about the way Perfect Golf reads the thumbsticks, relative to one another?

Very interesting and thanks for the input. I am really an MS guy but a shoulder injury is making me take a long look at the controller as it would be more comfortable right now for me and just looking for a good option. I want wired tho as from what I am being told they work better but we shall see and I might just pick this up and give it a whorl as I can always use an extra controller. I have tried a GameStop Xbox 360 an the short game was brutal as your control is not good. Again thank you for the input it was much appreciated.

[DivotMaker]

JCat04, on 19 Mar 2016 - 4:10 PM, said:

I hadn't seen that controller until you mentioned it here.  It's got a ton of good reviews at Best Buy though, and those commenting about it's use with the PC have nothing but praise for it there as well.   I like the looks of it, although the thumbsticks look a little bit taller than the stock controller.  That can be a good or a bad thing in golf games.  It can help you with your feel, but since the throw is a little longer, your swing path tracking errors could be greater if you tend to come from inside/out, like I do.

 

I bought the Afterglow Xbox 360 controller last night at Best Buy, and it wasn't the cure-all that I was hoping for.  In fact my scores are suffering just a little bit more when using it.  Even though I'm able to control my accuracy on full shots just a wee bit more with it, it lacks sensitivity and it's hard to gauge chips and putts with it.  It just doesn't have the quality, 'non-clacky sounding' return to center with its thumbsticks that the Microsoft controller has.

 

Finally, just as is the case with all of the other controllers I've tested in the last few weeks, I get straighter shots with the right thumbstick of the Afterglow than the left... considerably straighter!  This is counter to the golf game experience I've had with all of the Tiger Woods PGA Tour Golf games on the Xbox 360 and PS3 and The Golf Club on the PC and Xbox One.  With all of those, I hit the ball much straighter with the left thumbstick, thanks mostly to the higher placement of the left thumbstick on the asymmetrical Xbox controllers.  I'm really wondering if there's something funky about the way Perfect Golf reads the thumbsticks, relative to one another?

 

John,

 

Quit playing around and fork up the $150 for the Xbox One Elite controller......

[JCat04]

I love the challenge of scoring (trying to occasionally break par) with the Microsoft wired Xbox 360 controller right now in Hacker difficulty, but even though the scores are averaging in the mid-70's, the FIRs and GIRs are well under what I do in real life. I'm probably about 40% FIRs and 45% GIRs in Perfect Golf right now, even in Hacker difficulty!?  But I'm one scrambling son of a gun.  If I'm within 40 yards of the hole, I'm going to get up and down 80% of the time. 

 

The RTS-C implementation in Perfect Golf calls upon both touch and proportional thumbstick modulation more than any golf game I've ever played, but it's still got some fine-tuning that needs to be done.  I feel like such a cheeser playing in Hacker difficulty against people playing Pro and Tour Pro (albeit mostly 3-click and RTS-M) and get that reaction from those against whom I play for the first time.  Then they see how few fairways and greens I hit and they ask me if I've thought of taking up clicking or RTS-M.  I lost my desire for clicking in 1999, but I would probably be able to embrace RTS-M if I didn't, or couldn't do RTS-C for whatever reason.  There's a tactile, torsional feedback element that I find with the controller thumbstick swing that makes it a more multi-faceted, sensual experience for me.

 

One thing I failed to remind you of in my original response, the Xbox One controller interface is a bit gimped in Perfect Golf at the moment... not the swing itself, but two of the D-Pad functions.  These are things that can easily be fixed in an update, but just be aware that if you go this route, there are going to be two view options you won't be able to select, and if I'm not mistaken, the start button won't take you back to the main menu with the XB1 controller in the current public build.  Finally, even the Xbox 360 controller can't help you with all the menu navigation you'd like to have, currently.  For example, I can't select the Friends List in the main meny lobby to be able to scroll it and see who all is in the room.  In the Pre-Game menu, I can't hightlight and select "Global" to be able to go back to the main meny chat box to recruit players for the game I've set.  I think eventually controller players will be able to do all of that, but right now, it's still a work in progess.

[JCat04]

DivotMaker, on 19 Mar 2016 - 4:30 PM, said:

John,

 

Quit playing around and fork up the $150 for the Xbox One Elite controller......

 

 

It's very tempting, as I think it would also be a quick alternative to when I don't want to ready up my racing cockpit with my Logitech G920 FF Steering Wheel.  I know you're not spending a lot of time with Perfect Golf due to the limited functionality of the controller interface at the moment, but I'm curious to know if you've checked your Elite Controller's performance out on the Practice Range.  For example, are you able to get occasionally get a swing that's reported as being "On Plane".  Secondly, when you're swings aren't on plane, in what region are they typically?  Mine are in the 50 to 90 degree in/out range mostly, with the left thumbstick of the Microsoft Xbox 360 controller, although they're mostly 10 to 25 with the right thumbstick.

[Acrilix]

John, I gave up trying to correct my swing plane on the thumbstick last week because I could find no consistency... I was hitting around 30-35% FIR with my 360 on Amateur and hooking most of the time. I decided instead to correct for the hook with the shot modifier and swing my natural swing. I instantly started hitting 60-70% FIR using this method and apart from the occasional round where I'm all over the place it has really made a big difference.

[Buck]

I still maintain it'd be really nice to be able to "show" the game what you'd like "on-plane" to be for your particular controller/hand/thumb, etc.

 

Just sort of a "learning mode" you put it in that resets what an "on-plane swing" is for your saved golfer.

 

Perhaps something you'd do at the Range

[MERACE]

John, 

 

Here's a way to test out your theory that in PG the left stick is somehow more sensitive than the right stick. Play a few rounds alternating between using the left stick and then the right stick with your brand new Afterglow Xbox 360 controller currently with no wear and tear on either stick.

 

 

-MERACE

[DivotMaker]

JCat04, on 19 Mar 2016 - 5:08 PM, said:

It's very tempting, as I think it would also be a quick alternative to when I don't want to ready up my racing cockpit with my Logitech G920 FF Steering Wheel.  I know you're not spending a lot of time with Perfect Golf due to the limited functionality of the controller interface at the moment, but I'm curious to know if you've checked your Elite Controller's performance out on the Practice Range.  For example, are you able to get occasionally get a swing that's reported as being "On Plane".  Secondly, when you're swings aren't on plane, in what region are they typically?  Mine are in the 50 to 90 degree in/out range mostly, with the left thumbstick of the Microsoft Xbox 360 controller, although they're mostly 10 to 25 with the right thumbstick.

I have spent a little bit of time on the range and in a couple of solo rounds and I hit it pretty straight. My issue right now is feel and getting used to having to not make a "full" swing or being careful not to overswing as I am missing pretty good on approach shots and I need to spend some time on the putting greens getting used to this interface. Will play RTS-M until the X One controller issues are addressed as well as the crashing in 32-bit mode.

[JCat04]

MERACE, on 19 Mar 2016 - 6:12 PM, said:

John, 

 

Here's a way to test out your theory that in PG the left stick is somehow more sensitive than the right stick. Play a few rounds alternating between using the left stick and then the right stick with your brand new Afterglow Xbox 360 controller currently with no wear and tear on either stick.

 

 

-MERACE

 

Here's what I did do, pursuant to your recommendation.  I hit 10 balls on the Practice range with the left thumbstick of the Afterglow in Amateur difficulty and 10 with the right thumbstick.  Reporting only the live swing path (not the post shot result), here's what I had:

 

Left       deg in/out   deg out/in

2                 34

1                 41

2                 54

1                 57

1                 72 

3                 90

 

Right            deg in/out              deg out/in

1                          2

2                          3

​2                          4

1                          6

2                          7

1                          9

1                         13

 

Not one result was out/in when I was trying to this the ball straight.  I then watched my left thumbstick motion while I was trying to hit a fade by going 5 o-clock to to 11 o-clock, still couldn't do anything but produce a draw, although one of them was only 24 degrees in/out.  I then said, okay, lets hit 4 o-clock to 10 o-clock.... and finally hit a 90 degree and then up to a 117 degree out/in fade, but distance was deducted for the gross swingpath error. 

 

I honestly don't think I'm better at making a pure control motion with my right thumb versus my left thumb.  It's so foreign to me that I feel awkward with it.  I just sit there in awe of how my clumsy operation of the right thumbstick is producing swing path errors consistently in the single digits.  I'll eventually try playing a few holes with the Afterglow's right thumbstick, but history has shown me that no matter what controller I'm using, my short game goes to pot when I'm trying to execute chips and putts with the right thumbstick.  I don't enjoy it as much even though I'm keeping the ball much more in play; it just feels like I'm not coming nearly as close to modeling the short game, resulting in a less gratifying gaming experience.

[dlocke1962]

I wonder....if you run the calibration it sees the left stick as the d-pad and only calibrates the 4 corners where as the right stick is more of what you would expect.

[Greensboronclion]

Well I tried the Xbox360 wired controller and can say forget it when it comes to hitting it straight as its not the one but is there one at this time is a better question? I can't believe that none work really well and I will hold off on the others for the time being. Tried 3C and had some decent rounds and yes the short game is easier as the chipping and putting are much easier and the lob also but if you mis the snap at the bottom just a hair on long shots and your ball goes left or right drastically so you have to be perfect on the snap every time or your toast. So I went down to the garage and built a board to pu on my lap as I am sitting in my chair and adhered a mouse pad to it and went back to MS as its still the best to me. By keeping the board on my lap my arm is not elevated and no stress on my shoulder. I will next look at these standing type desks so I can stand at my PC station and that will solve all the shoulder stress problems and also make me stand on my feet while I play. After all golf is meant to be played that way and it will feel like I am really there. Lol. The things we have to do to play thi PG but again it is such a great game.

[Buck]

I wish I could be more helpful on all of this..

 

I'm simply not having any issues really at all and I have the XB360 wired, XB1 (it has issues as we know at the moment) & DS4 and all work wonderfully for the me in the game.

[Greensboronclion]

For the heck of it I just ordered a Speedlink XEOX Pro Analog Gamepad which I hear a few are using with some success. Hey if it works fine if not I add it to the collection and hoping it works a little better. I will post results when available and thanks to all for the info and help.

[mebby]

Yea, I'm no help here either. I've tried all the major stock console controllers and basically shoot about the same scores consistently with all of them. Not having any major issues hitting it straight. Although I've had times when I'm off for sure.

[JCat04]

___ buck ___, on 22 Mar 2016 - 02:05 AM, said:

I wish I could be more helpful on all of this..

 

I'm simply not having any issues really at all and I have the XB360 wired, XB1 (it has issues as we know at the moment) & DS4 and all work wonderfully for the me in the game.

 

Do you not see a marked improvement with your ability to hit the ball straighter with the right thumbstick with the Xbox controllers?  I know I can hit the ball straighter with the left thumbstick of my DS4 controller, where my swing plane deviation is consistently in the 20's to 30's degrees, whereas with my Xbox 360 controller, it's more of a 40's to 90 degree deviation.  With all of them, I'm in the single digit to 20 degree deviation with the right thumbstick.   

[JCat04]

dlocke1962, on 21 Mar 2016 - 9:33 PM, said:

I wonder....if you run the calibration it sees the left stick as the d-pad and only calibrates the 4 corners where as the right stick is more of what you would expect.

 

 

Good point... it does bother me that Windows calls it the "D" pad calibration.  I know this much, when I put my Xbox 360 Silver Edition controller through the Windows calibration procedure, it showed the cursor going to the extreme lower left and extreme lower right corners, whereas at the top, the cursor was a considerable distance away from the upper right and left corners.  Nonetheless, it's the Xbox controller I have among five, that gets the most consistent and lowest deviation performance out of the left thumbstick.

[Safetyman]

DivotMaker, on 19 Mar 2016 - 4:30 PM, said:

John,

 

Quit playing around and fork up the $150 for the Xbox One Elite controller......

Got one! Love the customization options. However, I'm still waiting for the next update to PG so that all the buttons work. 

[JCat04]

Safetyman, on 23 Mar 2016 - 12:30 AM, said:

Got one! Love the customization options. However, I'm still waiting for the next update to PG so that all the buttons work. 

 

How close are you to being "on plane" with the left thumbstick, on average with the Elite?  I'm not wanting to have a controller that just automatically yields an on plane shot 9 times out of 10, I just want one that's going to put me in the 5 to 15 degree average which I think will yield the sort of challenge I'm ultimately looking for in Pro or Tour Pro.