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[JCat04]

I decided it's time to see if it is indeed my controller and not my technique/ability.  I turned my XBox 360 Silver Edition controller 90 degrees clockwise and put my right thumb at the base of the left thumbstick, the index finger in the cradle of the stick, and my middle finger on top.  I rotated my right wrist counter-clockwise and then clockwise to execute the swing.  The result?  Five swings in a row of 5 degree deviation or less; two of them were 1 degree deviations!!??  I was shocked to see that the left thumbstick on this controller could actually achieve single digit deviations.

 

Can I realistically play the game this way?  No, and I really wouldn't want to if I could make myself go through this convoluted process for 18 holes.  I'm going to continue the quest of trying to find an XBox controller that has a left thumbstick with a sensitivity that's more tolerant of my left thumb motion... maybe the XEOX Speedlink XBox controller is in my future after all    

[mebby]

JCat04, on 03 Apr 2016 - 12:08 AM, said:

I decided it's time to see if it is indeed my controller and not my technique/ability. I turned my XBox 360 Silver Edition controller 90 degrees clockwise and put my right thumb at the base of the left thumbstick, the index finger in the cradle of the stick, and my middle finger on top. I rotated my right wrist counter-clockwise and then clockwise to execute the swing. The result? Five swings in a row of 5 degree deviation or less; two of them were 1 degree deviations!!?? I was shocked to see that the left thumbstick on this controller could actually achieve single digit deviations.

Can I realistically play the game this way? No, and I really wouldn't want to if I could make myself go through this convoluted process for 18 holes. I'm going to continue the quest of trying to find an XBox controller that has a left thumbstick with a sensitivity that's more tolerant of my left thumb motion... maybe the XEOX Speedlink XBox controller is in my future after all

So it is technique then?

I feel that the thumb sticks were never meant for precise movement. So in order to adapt, you have to hold the controller differently.

Just my $0.02. I've tried using thumbs only for swinging and it was horrific. But then again, I've been a "pincher" ever since the first golf game on consoles.

[Greensboronclion]

I fear that no basic controller will do the trick and sorry but I am not shelling out $150 to find out if the elite will work. The fact is that a controller will never be as precise as a gaming mouse or any mouse for that matter so you have to decide how you will play and go with it. I have chosen the mouse and move on and for some fun golf by myself if I stream to my living room use the controller then but for events it's the mouse.

[mebby]

Greensboronclion, on 03 Apr 2016 - 01:41 AM, said:

I fear that no basic controller will do the trick and sorry but I am not shelling out $150 to find out if the elite will work. The fact is that a controller will never be as precise as a gaming mouse or any mouse for that matter so you have to decide how you will play and go with it. I have chosen the mouse and move on and for some fun golf by myself if I stream to my living room use the controller then but for events it's the mouse.

Fully agree. That elite controller is a waste of money. I would be willing to bet the price of the controller that it wouldn't make a meaningful difference.

I think what's important here is that we have lots of great options for playing this fantastic game.

[DivotMaker]

mebby, on 03 Apr 2016 - 01:47 AM, said:

Fully agree. That elite controller is a waste of money. I would be willing to bet the price of the controller that it wouldn't make a meaningful difference.

I think what's important here is that we have lots of great options for playing this fantastic game.

Um, nope. Best controller I have ever used by FAR.....

[wim1234]

mebby, on 03 Apr 2016 - 01:47 AM, said:

Fully agree. That elite controller is a waste of money. I would be willing to bet the price of the controller that it wouldn't make a meaningful difference.

I think what's important here is that we have lots of great options for playing this fantastic game.

Hi Mebby

The cheap priced controllers are just that, toys , not made to exacting standards.

If that expensive one is made really well, it would surely make a difference, problem is, you need to be able to tryout it, maybe in a shop?

Just for that reason i stay with the mouse, feels a lot better to me.

greetings

[mebby]

wim1234, on 03 Apr 2016 - 11:34 AM, said:

Hi Mebby
The cheap priced controllers are just that, toys , not made to exacting standards.
If that expensive one is made really well, it would surely make a difference, problem is, you need to be able to tryout it, maybe in a shop?
Just for that reason i stay with the mouse, feels a lot better to me.
greetings

You're probably right but I honestly can't imagine paying that kind of money when the stock controllers work just fine. Agree that the el cheapo knockoffs suck but why even waste your time with those? Just stick with stock controllers. They work very well.

[Acrilix]

I would be willing to bet the price of the controller that it would make a meaningful difference as you can adjust the sensitivity of the analog sticks, among other things, with the Elite.

[DivotMaker]

Acrilix, on 03 Apr 2016 - 1:20 PM, said:

I would be willing to bet the price of the controller that it would make a meaningful difference as you can adjust the sensitivity of the analog sticks, among other things, with the Elite.

Key word "meaningful".....and you simply cannot that I have seen in my 4 months with the controller.

[mebby]

DivotMaker, on 03 Apr 2016 - 1:41 PM, said:

Key word "meaningful".....and you simply cannot that I have seen in my 4 months with the controller.

How adjustable is the sensitivity? I'd hate to know that there is a controller out there that can essentially turn Tour Pro level down to Hacker.

[DivotMaker]

mebby, on 03 Apr 2016 - 1:55 PM, said:

How adjustable is the sensitivity? I'd hate to know that there is a controller out there that can essentially turn Tour Pro level down to Hacker.

It isn't that I can see and I have tried every profile and made a couple of my own and there just is not anything from a "sensitivity" perspective to give anyone any sort of advantage.

[mebby]

DivotMaker, on 03 Apr 2016 - 4:55 PM, said:

It isn't that I can see and I have tried every profile and made a couple of my own and there just is not anything from a "sensitivity" perspective to give anyone any sort of advantage.

Good to hear.

[Greensboronclion]

mebby, on 03 Apr 2016 - 5:01 PM, said:

Good to hear.

Thanks for the info as I would have hate to have paid $150 for what I have now. It may be slightly better but it would have to be a world of difference on the short game for me to even consider.

[DivotMaker]

Greensboronclion, on 03 Apr 2016 - 5:08 PM, said:

Thanks for the info as I would have hate to have paid $150 for what I have now. It may be slightly better but it would have to be a world of difference on the short game for me to even consider.

Worth every nickel here but I got mine with the Xbox One Elite package. However, now that I have one, I would pay $150 for it.....happily,

[mebby]

DivotMaker, on 03 Apr 2016 - 5:29 PM, said:

Worth every nickel here but I got mine with the Xbox One Elite package. However, now that I have one, I would pay $150 for it.....happily,

What do you like about it over the standard XB1 controller?

[JCat04]

mebby, on 03 Apr 2016 - 12:19 AM, said:

So it is technique then?

I feel that the thumb sticks were never meant for precise movement. So in order to adapt, you have to hold the controller differently.

Just my $0.02. I've tried using thumbs only for swinging and it was horrific. But then again, I've been a "pincher" ever since the first golf game on consoles.

 

I'd say in my case it's more down to ability, or lack thereof.  I'm simply not nearly as good at modulating the left thumbstick, at least in terms of tracking the Y axis with it, with one thumb as I thought I was.  OTOH, I'm still very pleased with my ability to control shot power, especially with the short game and particularly, putting with it.  I don't want to face the undeniable truth that I apparently can track the Y axis much more precisely with my right thumb on the right thumbstick.  Even though my results show that I'm staying in single digits with my swingpath deviation, it just feels awkward to me with the right thumb.  Maybe if the right thumbstick was mounted as high on the controller body as the left, it wouldn't feel as awkward to me?

 

I've tried the "pinching" technique and while I fare just a wee bit better with it, it feels as awkward and "feel" depriving as the right stick to my right thumb.  If I could ever get over the awkward feeling of using the pinch technique, I could revert to the left thumb only for touch shots and putting.  It's just that somehow, someway, the left thumb only swing somehow gives my senses an experience that I can most closely associate with swinging a cyber-golf club.  

[DivotMaker]

mebby, on 03 Apr 2016 - 8:13 PM, said:

What do you like about it over the standard XB1 controller?

Pretty much everything. It is precise beyond belief and the feel and quality of the controller is outstanding. The standard controllers feel cheap and wear out much sooner than they should. Having different sized analog sticks is another benefit as you can use the standard ones or if you feel like you need more movement in your analog stick, use the longer ones. Also comes with sticks that are concave on the surface for those wanting that feel to the stick. Every now and then I pick up my Son's standard controller and there is simply no comparison, IMO.

[JCat04]

DivotMaker, on 03 Apr 2016 - 1:41 PM, said:

Key word "meaningful".....and you simply cannot that I have seen in my 4 months with the controller.

 

Here's what I found at XBox.com about the sensitivity settings for the XBox One Elite:

 

Left and right stick sensitivity - From the Sticks, triggers & vibration menu, you can select Left stick or Right stick to customize and control how each stick responds during gameplay. Once you've chosen the stick you want to customize, you can select Default, Delay, Aggressive, Instant, or Smooth depending on how responsive you want the stick to be in your game. For example, if you want your player to respond faster over a shorter stick movement, select Instant. You'll see a graph that shows you the response curve of the stick. 

 

From some of the videos I've seen demonstrating these five preset (you can't customize them) sensitivity curves, I don't see any one of them that suggests to me that they would offer some sort of control advantage in Perfect Golf, or any other golf game for that matter.  The four non-default sensitivity curves: Delay, Aggressive, Instant, or Smooth, all speak to how fast and to what degree the control output is going to respond relative to the stick motion on BOTH axes.  Since both axes are affected and at some point your X axis deviation is going to be seen whether it's early or late in the swing, I can't envision how any of these sensitivity curves could help.  Maybe it's something you'd have to try in practice to really make a call on?

 

The only one of the preset sensitivity curves that I could theorize might offer some advantage would be the "Delay" mode, where the control output is lagging behind your stick motion until the final 10 to 15 degrees of stick motion, where it suddenly catches up to where it should be.  This might minimize your X axis deviations when you're in the region where they'd be most likely to impact the swing, but it would also affect your sensitivity on the Y axis, where your touch would be adversely affected, I would speculate.  I'd love to be able to try this in practice, but I'm not sure I want to roll the dice for $150 just yet. 

 

Here is a You Tube video that shows and illustrates how each of these sensitivity curves work with the XBox One Elite.   I found it very helpful, but again, it's using Halo 5 to illustrate the effects, not a golf game:

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=_1fQ9I97eCw

 

One final note, you would have to be using Windows 10 (which I see that you are running Tim, just pointing this out to everyone) to have access to the XBox Accessories App to be able to implement these optional sensitivity curves with the XBox One Elite in Perfect Golf.

[Vernon520]

Basically all makes of controllers are slightly different and so are we.

It is just a case, IMO, to find the the controller that suits you best. The Speedlink XEOX USB is great for me but finding the right one will come down to trial and error and that could mean spending a load of cash.

However, an in-game sensitivity slider for RTS-C may be a useful tool but then again it might not make much difference at all.

[JCat04]

Greensboronclion, on 22 Mar 2016 - 02:12 AM, said:

For the heck of it I just ordered a Speedlink XEOX Pro Analog Gamepad which I hear a few are using with some success. Hey if it works fine if not I add it to the collection and hoping it works a little better. I will post results when available and thanks to all for the info and help.

 

Did you ever receive your XEOX SpeedLink?  I'd be curious to see if your response to it is as favorable as Vernon's....