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[JCat04]

I just completed a test that goes even further to establish the fact that the calibration of the right thumbstick is different from that of the left.  What I did was to use my "Swap Stick" Perfect Golf profile I've made for my XBox One Elite controller, such that the left thumbstick has been remapped to the right thumbstick, and vice versa.  I then changed controller handedness in Perfect Golf's "Player" settings to "Left".  I then set out to the practice range.  On the range, I had to swing the club with the right thumbstick, even though my controller handedness was set to "Left" in Perfect Golf's settings.  This is because of the stick swap I had in effect from the Elite controller App.

 

The results?  My swingpath deviations were in the 30 to 90 degree range with the right stick, like I'd been seeing with the left thumbstick with default mapping in the last six weeks.  This proves to me that the left and right thumbsticks are calibrated differently, and that Perfect Golf comes a whole lot closer to delivering the kind of performance I believe the developers intended using the default, right thumbstick calibration, no matter which thumbstick to which it is mapped.  I just wish it was possible to swap the thumbsticks on all controllers by remapping them via an app, so that all left thumbstick swingers could experience Perfect Golf the way it should be experienced. 

[Wirenut48]

My suspicion is that their using the same sensitivity settings for the free cam as is with the swing. The left stick for camera movement is definitely faster than the look movement of the right. They may need to have the sensitivity change when switching modes which I'm sure can be done.

[JCat04]

Wirenut48, on 09 Apr 2016 - 01:57 AM, said:

My suspicion is that their using the same sensitivity settings for the free cam as is with the swing. The left stick for camera movement is definitely faster than the look movement of the right. They may need to have the sensitivity change when switching modes which I'm sure can be done.

 

Splendid analysis on your part Wirenut!  I haven't used the free cam much and didn't notice how it responds, but what you're saying makes total sense.  If they can have the sensitivity follow the stick when the user opts to use the left stick as the swing stick, it theoretically should get the job done, while making me feel like I just unnecessarily spent $150 on a problem for which the free solution would have yielded more desirable results.  The Elite controller is fine for everything but chipping and putting with me... the stepped resistance zones of the thumbstick centering forces are giving my putting technique fits, and I'm not getting any better with it over time... at least so far.

[DivotMaker]

JCat04, on 09 Apr 2016 - 11:55 AM, said:

Splendid analysis on your part Wirenut!  I haven't used the free cam much and didn't notice how it responds, but what you're saying makes total sense.  If they can have the sensitivity follow the stick when the user opts to use the left stick as the swing stick, it theoretically should get the job done, while making me feel like I just unnecessarily spent $150 on a problem for which the free solution would have yielded more desirable results.  The Elite controller is fine for everything but chipping and putting with me... the stepped resistance zones of the thumbstick centering forces are giving my putting technique fits, and I'm not getting any better with it over time... at least so far.

Keep practicing with it....I can't go back to a standard Xbox One controller now.....

[JCat04]

DivotMaker, on 09 Apr 2016 - 3:49 PM, said:

Keep practicing with it....I can't go back to a standard Xbox One controller now.....

 

Well, I shot my first under par round of 9 holes, 35, in Amateur difficulty with my "thumbsticks remapped" Elite controller at Abbotsley Golf Club (excellent course btw, Acrilix!).   The round just felt "right", for the most part.  I hit 5 of 7 fairways and 6 of 9 greens, but I 3-putted twice.  What I call the "breakover stick resistance zone" (BSRZ, for short) is giving me a problem with my light touch putting technique.

 

If you're playing Amateur or higher difficulty with RTSC, you've got to be conscious of getting to quick on your forestroke with the putter, or you'll be penalized with a 'pull' that is imposed by the game if you get out of balance between backstroke and forestroke.  I'm fully concious of that as I'm putting, but what's happening is when the stick overcomes BSRZ, it accelerates just enough to be detected as an imbalance of backstroke/forestroke speed, and I wind up with some embarrassingly bad pulls, well to the left of the hole.

 

I'm trying to get heavier on my thumb pressure so that I'm not as susceptible to having my stroke speed be so adversely affected by overcoming this BSRZ, but the resultant lack of touch this imposes causes me to have some serious distance control problems.  Since Perfect Golf doesn't give you any assistance via the "Spyglass Effect" (and I'm glad it doesn't) when putting, this can lead to another set of problems. 

 

I should add that using the longest of the 3 thumbsticks that come with the Elite controller, I find the extra leverage it affords is enough to take the "bump" out of the BSRZ, however, the longer throw of the stick feels totally foreign to me.  I'm all over the place even trying to hit a 100% shot because the travel range is so much longer, my muscle memory can't relate to it.  If I had learned with the longer stick from scratch I guess it'd be a different story, but it's amazing how much difference that extra 3/8", or so, makes with the feel of the swing!?

[Greensboronclion]

I played two OGT rounds tonight and hit the ball ok but again I had about a million putts and the ones of about 5 ft are the worst. I think anything over 12 on the stimp is a nightmare for me with the controller. The sad part is I am 15 shots better with the mouse over the controller but just can't use it right now due to the shoulder. My options are down to get better with the controller or just go down to Amateur level and be done with it. Very frustrating.

[wim1234]

ever thought of trying with the other hand???

[Greensboronclion]

wim1234, on 11 Apr 2016 - 09:29 AM, said:

ever thought of trying with the other hand???

 

Good thought but as a Right hander  I could never keep the mouse straight for the swing left handed.  I can play 3C but have tried to not do that since Links and will just keep trugging forward with the controller.  It has to get better and again thanks for the advise.

[JCat04]

I just figured out this morning that I spent $150 to discover that I already had a solution to Perfect Golf's unforgiving left thumbstick swing implementation on my hard drive and entertainment center shelf.  I have now successfully remapped my XBox 360 wired controller's left thumbstick to the right, and the right thumbstick to the left.  The results were just as successful as those I achieved with the XBox One Elite controller when I remapped its sticks using Microsofts XBox Accessories App.  The On plane to 17% swing path deviations I was seeing with the right stick on my wired 360 controller in its default configuration have been transferred to the left thumbstick, just like the 30 to 90% deviation swings have been transferred to the right thumbstick.

 

I accomplished the task by using an app (Max Remapper) and a converter (Titan One) I already had, and hadn't educated myself enough about to know it could do this.  After a few hours of plugging and chugging, I got it done and lo & behold, I've got a left thumbstick swing with a controller that feels familiar to me and is free of the "Breakover Stick Resistance Zones" that were bothering me with the Elite controller. It's nice to step on a tee box an think 'I've got about a 60% chance of hitting this fairway' 

 

I really hope that Perfect Parallel will eventually be able to code the game to where the calibration of the right thumbstick will transfer to the left thumbstick for the players who choose this option.  I'm confident that PP designed the interface with the right sticks calibration and performance in mind.  I am scientific living proof that there's a huge difference between XBox controller's, left and right thumbstick calibrations, or at least how they're interpreted by the game.

[DivotMaker]

JCat04, on 11 Apr 2016 - 4:24 PM, said:

I just figured out this morning that I spent $150 to discover that I already had a solution to Perfect Golf's unforgiving left thumbstick swing implementation on my hard drive and entertainment center shelf.  I have now successfully remapped my XBox 360 wired controller's left thumbstick to the right, and the right thumbstick to the left.  The results were just as successful as those I achieved with the XBox One Elite controller when I remapped its sticks using Microsofts XBox Accessories App.  The On plane to 17% swing path deviations I was seeing with the right stick on my wired 360 controller in its default configuration have been transferred to the left thumbstick, just like the 30 to 90% deviation swings have been transferred to the right thumbstick.

 

I accomplished the task by using an app (Max Remapper) and a converter (Titan One) I already had, and hadn't educated myself enough about to know it could do this.  After a few hours of plugging and chugging, I got it done and lo & behold, I've got a left thumbstick swing with a controller that feels familiar to me and is free of the "Breakover Stick Resistance Zones" that were bothering me with the Elite controller. It's nice to step on a tee box an think 'I've got about a 60% chance of hitting this fairway' 

 

I really hope that Perfect Parallel will eventually be able to code the game to where the calibration of the right thumbstick will transfer to the left thumbstick for the players who choose this option.  I'm confident that PP designed the interface with the right sticks calibration and performance in mind.  I am scientific living proof that there's a huge difference between XBox controller's, left and right thumbstick calibrations, or at least how they're interpreted by the game.

LOL.....glad you got something to work for you. I'm assuming the Elite is being returned? If so, you will likely end up with one some day. I do not see the issues you see with it, but mine is 5 months older than your is.....

[JCat04]

DivotMaker, on 11 Apr 2016 - 4:40 PM, said:

LOL.....glad you got something to work for you. I'm assuming the Elite is being returned? If so, you will likely end up with one some day. I do not see the issues you see with it, but mine is 5 months older than your is.....

 

No, I'm going to keep the Elite controller.  I like the way it feels with Forza 6, Rocket League, and Project CARS (PC).  I expect this cascading resistance zones phenomenon to work itself out, to some extent, over time.  It doesn't bother me at all in any games but Perfect Golf and The Golf Club.  If I could teach myself to go with the longer thumbstick, those niggling resistance breakover points wouldn't be a problem.

 

I should add that the solution I found this morning only works for my wired XBox 360 contoller.  My beloved 360 Silver Edition controller, which is markedly better, IMO, can't work with the Titan One because it's wireless, and the Titan One can't do wireless.

[JCat04]

DivotMaker, on 11 Apr 2016 - 4:40 PM, said:

I do not see the issues you see with it, but mine is 5 months older than your is.....

 

I thought about why we might be seeing the Elite's performance differently, but when I think about it, the only area in which we're seeing it differently is in putting and the short game.  Then I realized, you're a right stick swinger, right?  That being the case, I played a few practice holes with the right stick set as the swing stick in Perfect Golf.  I do not feel anywhere near the 'breakover stick resistance zones' with the right stick that I do with the left.  The reason I think this is so is because my thumb is more directly over the thumbstick with the right hand and I'm applying more downward, direct force on the stick because of the geometry.  I still don't have a good sense of touch, in terms of stroke power control with the right thumb, but I also didn't feel these "resistance zones" that I overcome in slightly perceptible jabs with the left stick.

 

I went back and played another 9 holes (Merion East) with the Elite, in Amateur difficulty with my remapped left thumbstick swing arrangement.  I didn't appreciate the precision feel of the Elite versus my stock, wired XBox 360 controller as much until I did this A/B comparison between the two, back to back.  There's also something to be said for the density and feel of the Elite... it just feels more solid and "better" in my hands, especially with the grippy surface under the handles.  I'm sure I hit my full shots better with the Elite than the 360 controller, and really, when you put me outside of 15 feet, I feel as confident putting with the Elite as I do the 360.  The touchy resistance threshold becomes a factor at that point on the left stick of the Elite.  This is something I might be able to make a change in my technique to overcome. 

[Greensboronclion]

Well I just tried out my new Speedlink Wireless controller at Baden Dunes and must say I am quite impressed with it. First it feels real good in your hands and the right stick is pretty good also. I played four rounds today with the Logitech F310 in OGT events and went +10, +10, -1 and +10 and it wasn't putting it was just being a hair short and a few well placed hooks. Lol. Will play the RTS OGT 2nd round this evening with the Speedlink tonight and give a full report. The fact is those plus 10 rounds should have been about 4 or 5 but my temper got me as it usually does. Beginning to real believe it's like buying new clubs IRL in that you have to learn how to use them before they really start working for you and the controller is no different but the feel of the controller is important. I never liked the feel of the Xbox360 vs the F310 but neither fells as good as the Speedlink so the experiment goes on. I think it's easier getting fitted for real clubs than getting fitted for a PC controller.

[JCat04]

So you haven't tried it with the left thumbstick?  I love the offset, higher position of the left thumbstick on the controller body for XBox 360 and XBox One controllers and I saw that the Speedlink had that also.  Of course, if you don't have Max Remapper and a Titan One controller adapter, you're going to have to live with that less than swing-stick friendly left thumbstick calibration.  I'm sure that would more than offset any gain you'd realize from the physical arrangement.