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[JCat04]

Vernon520, on 04 Apr 2016 - 3:39 PM, said:

Basically all makes of controllers are slightly different and so are we.

 

This is it in a nutshell.  I'm still inspired by the delusional notion that that there's a controller out there somewhere that's going to afford me the type of performance I want out of a thumb-only operated left thumbstick.  I'm not wanting a magic bullet, I want something that will have me averaging around par in Amateur difficulty, with an average of 60% FIRs and 65% GIRs.  What has the best chance of doing that, the XBox One Elite, or the XEOX SpeedLink?  It's really down to those two at this point.

 

I'm curious, what sort of average swing path deviation do you see when you use the left thumbstick (left thumb only) with the SpeedLink at that Practice Range?  This would give me another data point to smoke over 

[Vernon520]

JCat04, on 04 Apr 2016 - 5:02 PM, said:

This is it in a nutshell.  I'm still inspired by the delusional notion that that there's a controller out there somewhere that's going to afford me the type of performance I want out of a thumb-only operated left thumbstick.  I'm not wanting a magic bullet, I want something that will have me averaging around par in Amateur difficulty, with an average of 60% FIRs and 65% GIRs.  What has the best chance of doing that, the XBox One Elite, or the XEOX SpeedLink?  It's really down to those two at this point.

 

I'm curious, what sort of average swing path deviation do you see when you use the left thumbstick (left thumb only) with the SpeedLink at that Practice Range?  This would give me another data point to smoke over 

It can vary due to the the old saying 'When yer hot, yer hot.' I have deviations of 30-0 in general but most of the time I hit about 75% on plane with the left and about 90% with the right.

One thing I will say for the XEOX is that it feels very comfortable in the hand. This is due to the fact that it has a matte finish and feels like mole skin. It also has moulded grooved grips under the handles which makes it feel as if it isn't going to slip out of your hands and of course the matte finish stops your hands from getting sweaty whilst you are playing.

The handles are very ergonomically designed and it is this I believe that makes it more comfortable to use than other Xbox controllers.

As you know I am sure, that IRL, a comfortable, firm, natural grip is essential, as is a natural swing, when using a golf club.

The XEOX, for me gives me that feeling with the controller.

Finally, the left stick on the XEOX is the more positive than my Xbox 360 official and considering that it is only about $25's well worth giving it go IMO.

[JCat04]

Vernon520, on 05 Apr 2016 - 08:04 AM, said:

It can vary due to the the old saying 'When yer hot, yer hot.' I have deviations of 30-0 in general but most of the time I hit about 75% on plane with the left and about 90% with the right.

 

75% on plane with the LEFT thumbstick  I haven't hit one shot on plane with the left thumbstick of any of my XBox controllers (360 or XB1) since a beta build we were testing from February!  How do your 75 and 90% numbers with the SpeedLink compare to the percentages you achieve "on plane" with the stock XBox 360 or XB1 controller?   If you can achieve an "on plane" swing with the "thumb only" left thumbstick swing on an XBox 360 controller, you're already 27% better than me... that's the lowest deviation I've achieved since February 25th.  I would have to weigh that into my comparision and scale it accordingly, but I'm very curious to have some quantitative data to chew on 

[Vernon520]

JCat04, on 05 Apr 2016 - 7:49 PM, said:

75% on plane with the LEFT thumbstick  I haven't hit one shot on plane with the left thumbstick of any of my XBox controllers (360 or XB1) since a beta build we were testing from February!  How do your 75 and 90% numbers with the SpeedLink compare to the percentages you achieve "on plane" with the stock XBox 360 or XB1 controller?   If you can achieve an "on plane" swing with the "thumb only" left thumbstick swing on an XBox 360 controller, you're already 27% better than me... that's the lowest deviation I've achieved since February 25th.  I would have to weigh that into my comparision and scale it accordingly, but I'm very curious to have some quantitative data to chew on 

Hard to answer that one as I only used my Xbox  360 copy which for some reason could send a putt in reverse, for a few days when RTS-

C arrived. I then went and bought the XEOX from a local store shortly there after and consigned my copy and my 360 official to the draw because it was obvious to me straight away, that XEOX was far superior to both of them both in precision and in build quality.

What else can I say. It is a really great controller for me and I couldn't and wouldn't use any other controller now.

[JCat04]

Vernon520, on 05 Apr 2016 - 9:49 PM, said:

Hard to answer that one as I only used my Xbox  360 copy which for some reason could send a putt in reverse, for a few days when RTS-

C arrived. I then went and bought the XEOX from a local store shortly there after and consigned my copy and my 360 official to the draw because it was obvious to me straight away, that XEOX was far superior to both of them both in precision and in build quality.

What else can I say. It is a really great controller for me and I couldn't and wouldn't use any other controller now.

 

I looked into ordering a XEOX Speedling Analog Pro through Amazon.com and NewEgg.com.  The arrival dates are from April 18th to May 3rd.  I'm going to be off next week and would have like to have had it the check out then.  Late this afternoon I received a $100 gift card from my company for a performance bonus and figured, what the heck, I'll just put $50 of my own with it and buy an XBox One Elite.  I keep reading and hearing about the precision feel of the sticks on this puppy, and the reviews from customers on Amazon are the most staggeringly positive reviews I've read for any videogame/computer control device.  I think it will enahance my enjoyment of Forza 6 and Project CARS when I don't want to set up my FF wheel, and Flight Simulator 10 Steam Edition as well.

[DivotMaker]

JCat04, on 06 Apr 2016 - 02:20 AM, said:

I looked into ordering a XEOX Speedling Analog Pro through Amazon.com and NewEgg.com.  The arrival dates are from April 18th to May 3rd.  I'm going to be off next week and would have like to have had it the check out then.  Late this afternoon I received a $100 gift card from my company for a performance bonus and figured, what the heck, I'll just put $50 of my own with it and buy an XBox One Elite.  I keep reading and hearing about the precision feel of the sticks on this puppy, and the reviews from customers on Amazon are the most staggeringly positive reviews I've read for any videogame/computer control device.  I think it will enahance my enjoyment of Forza 6 and Project CARS when I don't want to set up my FF wheel, and Flight Simulator 10 Steam Edition as well.

There you go....hope you enjoy yours as much as I enjoy mine!

[Vernon520]

JCat04, on 06 Apr 2016 - 02:20 AM, said:

I looked into ordering a XEOX Speedling Analog Pro through Amazon.com and NewEgg.com.  The arrival dates are from April 18th to May 3rd.  I'm going to be off next week and would have like to have had it the check out then.  Late this afternoon I received a $100 gift card from my company for a performance bonus and figured, what the heck, I'll just put $50 of my own with it and buy an XBox One Elite.  I keep reading and hearing about the precision feel of the sticks on this puppy, and the reviews from customers on Amazon are the most staggeringly positive reviews I've read for any videogame/computer control device.  I think it will enahance my enjoyment of Forza 6 and Project CARS when I don't want to set up my FF wheel, and Flight Simulator 10 Steam Edition as well.

You pay your money and take your choice. I hope that it resolves your issues and that you can enjoy the game even than you do now.

Good Luck.

[Greensboronclion]

Today I played two rounds of the OGT event and had 41 and 44 putts and as far as I am concerned the controller is just not there when it comes to any sensitivity.  Now dont get me wrong I like the long game but the short game with it sucks and to be honest I am getting to the point with it that I just might once and for all just scrap the controller.  Very frustrating and I hate to say this but to me even the TGC putting is easier than this and much more tollerable.

[mebby]

Greensboronclion, on 06 Apr 2016 - 11:32 PM, said:

Today I played two rounds of the OGT event and had 41 and 44 putts and as far as I am concerned the controller is just not there when it comes to any sensitivity.  Now dont get me wrong I like the long game but the short game with it sucks and to be honest I am getting to the point with it that I just might once and for all just scrap the controller.  Very frustrating and I hate to say this but to me even the TGC putting is easier than this and much more tollerable.

So how exactly are you putting in PG?  What's your technique?  For me, I pull the stick back and watch the putter head.  When it gets to a certain point I push it forward.  Bam.  Works just about every time as expected.  It's the same thing I do in TGC.  To me they really are almost the same - except for the cup physics, which TGC is better.

[Greensboronclion]

First off that is what I do but you just can't figure distance out at all and if you swing to hard it's almost like a shanked putt. If I tilt the controller slightly counter clockwise to about 11 o'clock and you get a straighter putt and that is just not natural. No problems with the rest of the game but the putting is going to lead to a broken controller very shortly.

[JCat04]

Greensboronclion, on 07 Apr 2016 - 12:11 AM, said:

First off that is what I do but you just can't figure distance out at all and if you swing to hard it's almost like a shanked putt. If I tilt the controller slightly counter clockwise to about 11 o'clock and you get a straighter putt and that is just not natural. No problems with the rest of the game but the putting is going to lead to a broken controller very shortly.

 

I know what you're talking about with the shanked putts.  I don't see them until I try to play Amateur, or higher difficulty.  If I get too quick with the forestroke when putting, I get the putts that come off the putter at a 10 to 30 degree angle.  If I have a smooth putting stroke, where the backstroke and forestroke pace are equal, the putt comes off on line.  At this time, I'm mostly playing in Hacker difficulty, where there's no "shank" penalty in play, so I'm probably not nearly as frustrated as you are with it.  I find it to be an overstated penalty and I'd like to see it scaled back to something more reasonable.

 

I don't have too much of a problem with distance control when putting, even though the putt strength doesn't seem to scale itself to a targeting pole like you see in The Golf Club or Rory McIlroy PGA Tour.  It's one of the few elements of this game I feel like I have a good handle on.  I wish I could control my swing path as well as I can control my swing strength.  If I could, I wouldn't be relegated to Hacker difficulty

[JCat04]

Okay, I hope my fellow left thumbstick swinging RTS-C geeks are safely seated in a chair that's can stabilize them as they read some information that's going to rock their world.... as advertised a few days ago, I bought an XBox One Elite controller this afternoon, primarily in the hopes that it would relieve my left thumbstick swinging woes.  This is really tough to characterize, but suffice to say I have made it to the promised land, but not for the reason I thought the XBox One Elite would take me there.   I downloaded the XBox One Elite App from the Microsoft Store and went into Perfect Golf with a default, XBox One Elite configuration, hoping the more precision left thumbstick would be the answer my problems.... it wasn't - well, my dispersion wasn't quite as bad as with my other XBox controllers, but still in the 30 to 55 degree range.  I typically see 30 to 90 degrees with my other XBox controllers.  I was a little bit surprised, but knew I still had other cards I could play with this puppy.

 

I started to go into the XBox One Elite Controller app and try one of the other four sensitivity presets, but then I remembered reading that you can swap the controller sticks such that the right thumbsticks actions get transferred over to the left thumbstik, and vice versa.  I've suspected for the longest time that the calibration is different for the right thumbstick versus the left.  After doing this, the graphic of the controller in the app shows the right thumbstick being mapped to the left and the left thumbstick mapped to the right.  I then had to go into the player menu in Perfect Golf and change my "Player Handedness" such that it was now showing "Right " (meaning my XBox One Elite's controller's left thumbstick would actually be controlling the swing).

 

I apprehensively awaited the loading of the Practice Range, thinking "surely this can't help anything".... with my Driver in hand, I hit a 113% drive with a 3 degree out/in swing path!?  After my wife had administered some smelling salts to revive me, I hit my next drive with a 1 degree deviation, then a 5, and the next... an ON PLANE swing     In the course of about 30 shots on the range, the worst I hit was an 11 degree deviation.  It's like freakin' magic!!

 

I set out to play a round in Amateur difficulty (something I wouldn't have dared to to before) and shot a par for nine holes at Downland.  The XBox One Elite stick feels a good bit different to me when putting and that's mainly the reason I didn't finish 4 or 5 under par.  The stick has a more springy feel to it and it was confusing my sense of touch.  It's something I'll adjust to, but it's so nice to be able to employ my thumb only, left thumbstick swing with Perfect Golf.  It has definitely changed my outlook for playing Perfect Golf with RTS-C, which is my strongly preferred method of control.

 

My brain is too tired right now to try to work out the logic as to why this is working, but I'm reveling in the fact that is is! 

[mebby]

Wow! First of all, it's fantastic that you've found a controller that works for you.

But I'm mostly shocked to learn that the two sticks are programmed to have different sensitivity levels!! That's just bizarre to me!

[JCat04]

mebby, on 07 Apr 2016 - 11:10 PM, said:

Wow! First of all, it's fantastic that you've found a controller that works for you.

But I'm mostly shocked to learn that the two sticks are programmed to have different sensitivity levels!! That's just bizarre to me!

 

Thanks, it's weird when something exceeds your expectations, but not for a reason you thought it would.  I'm shocked at the results of switching the two sticks in the controller app, but I'm a bit humbled by the fact that I can't fathom what's actually taking place to cause the change.  Has the app carried the calibration of the right stick over to the left stick?  That would be my best guess.  If you've ever used the controller calibration tool in Windows Control Panel, you see how different the Windows calibration methods are for the left versus the right thumbstick.  It's like Windows treats the left thumbstick like it's a 4 direction "D" pad!?

 

All I can say is that I'm giddy over the results... Perfect Golf is now playing like I thought it should play with the left thumbstick.  I'm on familiar turf with the thumb only left thumbstick swing and I'm already experiencing a dimension of Perfect Golf that had mostly eluded me up until now.  It just made me realize even more how dependent one's experience with RTSC is going to be on how the controller feels and performs in their hands.  I already see myself stepping up to Pro difficulty soon, and possibly eventually to Tour Pro!

[samterrence]

that's good news for you JCAT I am glad you have found the perfect controller. Inspired by this I went online to price the elite controller, it was far too expensive to buy (£120.00) just to play a golf game I just could not justify it to myself, so I have chopped off both my thumbs and started using the right thumb (sorry finger) stick on the Xbox one controller with my right index finger LOL. What a difference 5 shots in a row on plane on the practice ground. Just has you said there is a massive difference between the left and right sticks, I am going to STICK with this now and try and improve my game.

THX for all the tips and advice that  you have posted, saved me a lot of money LOL

[MERACE]

I'm wondering if performing the stick calibration routine in Windows may be causing the difference in sensitivity between the left and right sticks. When I originally plugged in my controller I never bothered to perform the calibration.


-MERACE

[DivotMaker]

JCat04, on 07 Apr 2016 - 10:47 PM, said:

Okay, I hope my fellow left thumbstick swinging RTS-C geeks are safely seated in a chair that's can stabilize them as they read some information that's going to rock their world.... as advertised a few days ago, I bought an XBox One Elite controller this afternoon, primarily in the hopes that it would relieve my left thumbstick swinging woes.  This is really tough to characterize, but suffice to say I have made it to the promised land, but not for the reason I thought the XBox One Elite would take me there.   I downloaded the XBox One Elite App from the Microsoft Store and went into Perfect Golf with a default, XBox One Elite configuration, hoping the more precision left thumbstick would be the answer my problems.... it wasn't - well, my dispersion wasn't quite as bad as with my other XBox controllers, but still in the 30 to 55 degree range.  I typically see 30 to 90 degrees with my other XBox controllers.  I was a little bit surprised, but knew I still had other cards I could play with this puppy.

 

I started to go into the XBox One Elite Controller app and try one of the other four sensitivity presets, but then I remembered reading that you can swap the controller sticks such that the right thumbsticks actions get transferred over to the left thumbstik, and vice versa.  I've suspected for the longest time that the calibration is different for the right thumbstick versus the left.  After doing this, the graphic of the controller in the app shows the right thumbstick being mapped to the left and the left thumbstick mapped to the right.  I then had to go into the player menu in Perfect Golf and change my "Player Handedness" such that it was now showing "Right " (meaning my XBox One Elite's controller's left thumbstick would actually be controlling the swing).

 

I apprehensively awaited the loading of the Practice Range, thinking "surely this can't help anything".... with my Driver in hand, I hit a 113% drive with a 3 degree out/in swing path!?  After my wife had administered some smelling salts to revive me, I hit my next drive with a 1 degree deviation, then a 5, and the next... an ON PLANE swing     In the course of about 30 shots on the range, the worst I hit was an 11 degree deviation.  It's like freakin' magic!!

 

I set out to play a round in Amateur difficulty (something I wouldn't have dared to to before) and shot a par for nine holes at Downland.  The XBox One Elite stick feels a good bit different to me when putting and that's mainly the reason I didn't finish 4 or 5 under par.  The stick has a more springy feel to it and it was confusing my sense of touch.  It's something I'll adjust to, but it's so nice to be able to employ my thumb only, left thumbstick swing with Perfect Golf.  It has definitely changed my outlook for playing Perfect Golf with RTS-C, which is my strongly preferred method of control.

 

My brain is too tired right now to try to work out the logic as to why this is working, but I'm reveling in the fact that is is! 

I had a feeling you would find the Elite to your liking.....glad you have something reliable now.

[JCat04]

samterrence, on 08 Apr 2016 - 12:15 PM, said:

that's good news for you JCAT I am glad you have found the perfect controller. Inspired by this I went online to price the elite controller, it was far too expensive to buy (£120.00) just to play a golf game I just could not justify it to myself, so I have chopped off both my thumbs and started using the right thumb (sorry finger) stick on the Xbox one controller with my right index finger LOL. What a difference 5 shots in a row on plane on the practice ground. Just has you said there is a massive difference between the left and right sticks, I am going to STICK with this now and try and improve my game.

THX for all the tips and advice that  you have posted, saved me a lot of money LOL

 

IMO, it's not so much the difference in the right and left sticks, it's the difference between the calibration of the left and right sticks.  I get the feeling that what I've done with this 'software switch' of the sticks in the XBox One Elite controller App is transfer the calibration of the right stick to the left and vice versa.  I'm going to try to prove that here in a bit as it didn't cross my mind yesterday that I should now switch the controller handedness back to "Left", so I can see if the swing path control problems transfer to the right thumbstick, since the left thumbstick functions are handled by the right thumbstick in my "Perfect Golf" profile under the Elite Controller App.

 

If there was a controller App for the XBox 360 controllers that allowed me to switch the right thumbstick to the left and vice versa, I would have used that on my beloved XBox 360 Silver Edition controller and solved my problem, now that I know that it apparently stems from the right stick's calibration

[JCat04]

MERACE, on 08 Apr 2016 - 3:41 PM, said:

I'm wondering if performing the stick calibration routine in Windows may be causing the difference in sensitivity between the left and right sticks. When I originally plugged in my controller I never bothered to perform the calibration.


-MERACE

 

I didn't either, originally... I didn't go into the calibration in Windows in any of my controllers for the first couple of weeks after we started beta testing RTS.  I'm sure that based on what I saw yesterday, it has nothing to do with that.

[JCat04]

DivotMaker, on 08 Apr 2016 - 4:07 PM, said:

I had a feeling you would find the Elite to your liking.....glad you have something reliable now.

 

Well, knowing what I know now, if I could find an app like the XBox One Elite has from Microsoft, that allows me to swap sticks, from right to left and left to right, I would have opted for it and continued using my XBox 360 Silver Edition controller.  It's pretty clear to me now that the problems I was having are traceable to the difference in calibration of the right and left thumbstick, be it an XBox 360, XBox One, or XBox One Elite controller. I still prefer the way my 360 Silver Edition controller feels compared to the Elite, at least for golf.  I'm having problems with the short game and particularly putting with the Elite controller because of the bouncier, springy response that doesn't jive well with my light contact between the thumb and the stick.  I find that if I'm firmer with my contact on the stick, I don't feel the sort of "stepped" resistance gradients that are throwing me off with my light contact technique.

 

I'm going to try the longer thumbstick here in a bit to see if it helps dampen these 'breakover zones' I'm feeling in the resistance of the stick.  It's either going to be that or I'm going to have to get a little "heavier" with my contact of the stick to get feedback that feels more uniform to me.  I haven't touched any of the other sensitivity settings of the Elite yet, and after what I saw in my time with it yesterday after remapping the sticks, I don't think I need to... still, I'm curious to see what effect they would have,  so I 'll get around to it eventually.

 

The Elite is a quality piece of engineering though and I'm curious to try it out with the Elite App's included Forza 6 profile.  I might at long last have a handheld controller with which I could manage a manual clutch to my advantage!