I put very, very little weight on what the steam population thinks about any game. Sure, there are certain exceptions where the reviews and buying trends are useful but I wouldn't expect this game to be one of those situations.
Golf is a niche video game market. Golf games that are geared more towards the simulation crowd is even more niche.
There is no other golf game on planet earth that can approach PG in terms of sim play. I'm hopeful that TGC will continue pushing towards that realm but right now they are miles behind. But honestly... I'd love to have two great golf games on the market. TGC being sim-oriented but more arcade like and PG handling the hardcore sim lovers while also being capable of being sort-of arcade-like on Hacker level.
I just hope there's enough money to keep both of these great titles afloat!
TGC would have to add a crap ton of stuff for me to ever go back, first and foremost are multiple tees and pins, oh physics too, oh yeah, and fix the wind. Wait, I forgot, no uphill or downhill lie physics. Fix that too.
I don't think it'll happen anytime soon tho.
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TGC would have to add a crap ton of stuff for me to ever go back, first and foremost are multiple tees and pins, oh physics too, oh yeah, and fix the wind. Wait, I forgot, no uphill or downhill lie physics. Fix that too.
I don't think it'll happen anytime soon tho.
You still can't pick your time a day or conditions in that game.
There never has been a good reason given for that...
All part of Anthony's "vision" I guess...(pure BS used to excuse all the issues and flaws)
I put very, very little weight on what the steam population thinks about any game. Sure, there are certain exceptions where the reviews and buying trends are useful but I wouldn't expect this game to be one of those situations.
I would generally agree with this, but if you're hoping to pull in new people that really haven't heard anything about this game (most people frankly), the Steam reviews are one of the few places they'll see opinions about the game in its current state (naturally also since that's right where you'd buy it).
To me the big miss on Steam's part is allowing Early Access reviews in there at all!
But that wouldn't stop the Johnny Come Lately brigade who have bought it, played it for 20 minutes and then got a refund.
I think some might be genuine, expecting something more like Mario Golf and being sorely disappointed but I'm also sceptical that some are just blatant false reviews, done just to hit the feedback rating, as they appear to be gamers just taking advantage of the refund policy to knock a game I feel some had no intention of actually keeping anyway.
But that wouldn't stop the Johnny Come Lately brigade who have bought it, played it for 20 minutes and then got a refund.
I think some might be genuine, expecting something more like Mario Golf and being sorely disappointed but I'm also sceptical that some are just blatant false reviews, done just to hit the feedback rating, as they appear to be gamers just taking advantage of the refund policy to knock a game I feel some had no intention of actually keeping anyway.
That may be - But ultimately, this is the world of Steam.
If the PP team didn't want to deal with that, then a direct release would have been a better choice.
We are making a big contradiction here when people say "who needs the Steam gamers!?" - "Steam users want arcade and will never get it!".... Ok, then the game shouldn't be on Steam I guess? Or don't even worry about the reviews?
Of course there are indeed benefits to building around Steam, so it's not surprising they chose that route.
Ultimately you just take the good with the bad.
Just out of curiosity, which reviews have you seen of late that are "false/blatant" etc?
The ones I've seen in the last few days look fairly legitimate, no?
I simply don't accept that my brain is so out of whack that I've played this more than any other game in my life and it's sub standard.
I will be forced to question my sanity if that is the case as I always felt I had an eye for quality whether considering movies, music, games etc.
I hope the developers are financially secure enough to make this game for the love of the game first and financial reward second. It would appear that is the case else they would have made something along the lines of 'Everybodys Celebrity Level Up Party Golf' instead of this work of art that will be continually refined.
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I simply don't accept that my brain is so out of whack that I've played this more than any other game in my life and it's sub standard.
I will be forced to question my sanity if that is the case as I always felt I had an eye for quality whether considering movies, music, games etc.
I hope the developers are financially secure enough to make this game for the love of the game first and financial reward second. It would appear that is the case else they would have made something along the lines of 'Everybodys Celebrity Level Up Party Golf' instead of this work of art that will be continually refined.
Gushing about a game to the point of calling it a, "work of art," is going to be met with equally contradictory user reviews.
If we would all just look at the game for what it is, and nothing more... we would end up with a lot of reviews that fall somewhere in the middle.
As it currently stands, "68% of this games 457 Steam reviews are positive." That seems more than fair, considering all of the fits and starts being continuously reported.
We cannot deny that golf is a fun game to play. This game manages to capture golf, at least in some form.
But, we also cannot deny that this software is quite challenging to navigate, when first getting the game.
Some people give products a hopeful rating of 10, despite known flaws... predicting that someone else will give it a 1, at some point.
Steam reviews of Perfect Golf are just that....reviews. Some are fake, some are written by haters and some are written by people who actually play\played the game. Be they positive or negative. Word of a good video game travels fast via social media in today's world.
Why worry about what we can not control. Lets play more golf!
Steam reviews of Perfect Golf are just that....reviews. Some are fake, some are written by haters and some are written by people who actually play\played the game. Be they positive or negative. Word of a good video game travels fast via social media in today's world.
Why worry about what we can not control. Lets play more golf!
I agree.
Speaking of which... it would be a good idea to be able to filter out reviews based on hours played.
This gets rid of the reviews purely based on user-error, or outdated pc's. - Conversely, some users may want to sort those things in, specifically. lol
If you think about it, having a minimum hours threshhold would also get rid of the bogus preordained reviews, from both sides, either way.
While most of the longer term players would inherently be satisfied with the game, it's quite instructive to read pros and cons from guys that actually know what they are talking about.
I think that when you see a lot of players come and go real quick they find out that its not really arcade and bolt. Most Video Gaming Golfers are just looking for an easy game and want to shoot 55 everyday and stroke their ego but this is not that game. Sure at the early level its quite easy but even at that level its light years tougher than most and when you get to the higher levels it can be brutal but oh so much fun. These newbies stick it on Pro and go out there and shoot 100 and are done as they want Mario or Hot Shots and they got the real thing. What really has me surprised is how many guys over at Links know this game is here but want to stay there and don't come over and even give it a try. Thru the years with TW and Links and others we have seen games where after a couple of weeks you are out there making birdie or eagle on every hole and this is what they want and they don't want to retrain themselves to learn this game. Before I started typing this I played a round at Augusta and had the wind to Windy the surface Hard the Stimp at 14 and Difficult pins and shot 75 at Pro level and felt like I just played the round of my life as it was brutal out there but more fun than I have had in quite sometime playing any game and that is what this game is about not just hard but options. My gut tells me with some more advertising and time this game will be on more PC's than any game out there.
I think that when you see a lot of players come and go real quick they find out that its not really arcade and bolt. Most Video Gaming Golfers are just looking for an easy game and want to shoot 55 everyday and stroke their ego but this is not that game. Sure at the early level its quite easy but even at that level its light years tougher than most and when you get to the higher levels it can be brutal but oh so much fun. These newbies stick it on Pro and go out there and shoot 100 and are done as they want Mario or Hot Shots and they got the real thing. What really has me surprised is how many guys over at Links know this game is here but want to stay there and don't come over and even give it a try. Thru the years with TW and Links and others we have seen games where after a couple of weeks you are out there making birdie or eagle on every hole and this is what they want and they don't want to retrain themselves to learn this game. Before I started typing this I played a round at Augusta and had the wind to Windy the surface Hard the Stimp at 14 and Difficult pins and shot 75 at Pro level and felt like I just played the round of my life as it was brutal out there but more fun than I have had in quite sometime playing any game and that is what this game is about not just hard but options. My gut tells me with some more advertising and time this game will be on more PC's than any game out there.
I agree that this game does a good job of making golf as difficult as it is in real life.
But, after delving into this game's actual ball physics, I don't necessarily think the methods are akin to, "the real thing," as much as, deliberate obfuscation.
Also, having arcade and sim modes, are not mutually exclusive. They can easily add certain aides and features to an arcade mode, as an ode to previous golf games... to get more players in the door. -- Just like they could add a harder level, that would prevent a player from using any aides whatsoever.
Instead, they choose to keep the game more of a middling figure-it-out-yourself type of game... from setup to gameplay.
But, the reason that it may come off as, "like the real thing," is because it's difficult to judge something, when it doesn't clearly define its playing parameters, to begin with.
So, a lot of guys just assume it's right... without actually discovering where it's right, and where it isn't.
Honestly, after a thorough analysis, I don't think this game is anymore correct, in terms of simulating golf, than any other given golf game to come before it. -- It's just deliberately more difficult to figure out.
But, it's also unique, in its own right.
However, I think that the excuses the developers give - in videos like the following - for lack of further setup options...are just that. Excuses... that only serve to hide the discovery of flaws within their golf algorithm; which proves to be more novel, than realistic.
Ultimately, this game tries so hard to make the game seem challenging, that it fails to stay true to actual golf physics, in favor of making the ball do things that are unexpected, moreso than realistic.
But, once you figure it out... the emperor has no clothes.
It's still a fun game, for those of us that enjoy figuring things out - that aren't really meant to be figured out. Or, for those of us that prefer to bask in all of the disinformation, and just play by our own interpretation of what may be considered, "feel."
It's like the golf version of a Rubik's cube. Or rather, think of playing chess, without a board... all in your head. If you could possibly do that, if you set your mind to it... then you can probably master this game.
I've bought games that have not met my hopes but never found it necessary to whine about it and try to influence other people not to buy it. Project Cars for example. It's ok but it's not as good as Assetto Corsa. I've played about 30 hrs only. I've never thought of running it down on steam though...for what purpose? An ego trip? The mind boggles.
But this is what this physical system called the universe churns out. Why this bit of it (me) can't always be okay with the rest of it is something of a mystery. Lol.
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If they could pull it off,a bit of advertising during the memorial tournament coming up would be very helpful since jacks name is on it and he is always in the booth talking,maybe he can put in a plug for the game....
If they could pull it off,a bit of advertising during the memorial tournament coming up would be very helpful since jacks name is on it and he is always in the booth talking,maybe he can put in a plug for the game....
I really am not sure that's a great idea right now…
There are still a lot of bugs and Andrew has said there's a whole new avatar and a ton of interface tweaks coming specifically targeted to make the controller experience better.
The hardest thing to do is get customers to come try your product and you don't want to lose them right out of the gate with a bad experience because they do not usually come back.
I've bought games that have not met my hopes but never found it necessary to whine about it and try to influence other people not to buy it. Project Cars for example. It's ok but it's not as good as Assetto Corsa. I've played about 30 hrs only. I've never thought of running it down on steam though...for what purpose? An ego trip? The mind boggles.
But this is what this physical system called the universe churns out. Why this bit of it (me) can't always be okay with the rest of it is something of a mystery. Lol.
Human nature is to have a natural negative bias when it comes to memory.
Do you remember all of the details surrounding the best steak you've ever had?
How about a bad restaurant experience? You could probably describe the decor, down to the paintings, in a place that you'll never go back to.
You would certainly recall all of the details of everything that went awry.
I bought this game a year ago when it was still in early access and it wasn't a bad experience. It was a really good one. I found a golf game that played like real golf. And then it got better and better.
What's wrong with me?
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