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[mebby]

Completely missing the point.

I don't need any help with my swing thank you.

look at my scoring if you think i'm cheating?.

Isn't anyone interested in why the ball moves right/left with no axis controller? and with no apparent "tempo" being used with the RTS-C? ALL I'm interested in is why? nothing to do with cheating anything, there must be something going on in the background of this game that makes the ball react the way it does, simple as that i just want to know what?, and Tigers Agent why would i actually care what you think anyway? who are you?. 

No.  I'm not interested in why the ball moves right/left while someone is blatantly cheating.  It's completely irrelevant.  Just think about what you're asking.  You're asking why the game doesn't behave the way you think it should while you are playing it in a way that was never intended.  

 

If you play the game as intended this never comes into play. 

[Tigers Agent]

No.  I'm not interested in why the ball moves right/left while someone is blatantly cheating.  It's completely irrelevant.  Just think about what you're asking.  You're asking why the game doesn't behave the way you think it should while you are playing it in a way that was never intended.  

 

If you play the game as intended this never comes into play. 

you say that so much nicer than I did Mebby.. 

[Tigers Agent]

Completely missing the point.

I don't need any help with my swing thank you.

look at my scoring if you think i'm cheating?.

Isn't anyone interested in why the ball moves right/left with no axis controller? and with no apparent "tempo" being used with the RTS-C? ALL I'm interested in is why? nothing to do with cheating anything, there must be something going on in the background of this game that makes the ball react the way it does, simple as that i just want to know what?, and Tigers Agent why would i actually care what you think anyway? who are you?. 

I'm the guy calling you a cheater.. but not as nicely as everyone else. dumbass.

[stopits here]

Maybe if you know why the ball can go left or right with a cheat controller .... you can hit 15 of 14 fairways in the future??

 

Honestly: Why do you have to know something that shouldn't be relevant in the first place?

Just because devs/people say there is no "tempo" in the RTS-C and i think there is because the ball ONLY moves left when you do a slower swing?.

So my real point is this, are we shanking because of the "tempo" that's not supposed to be there

[StoneComet]

No.  I'm not interested in why the ball moves right/left while someone is blatantly cheating.  It's completely irrelevant.  Just think about what you're asking.  You're asking why the game doesn't behave the way you think it should while you are playing it in a way that was never intended.  

 

If you play the game as intended this never comes into play. 

 

The point he is trying to make, I believe, is that there might possibly be some errors in the code that cause this and perhaps those errors pop up erroneously even on non-on plane shots. Like sometimes when you feel you've hit it straight and it shanks. Happens to me sometimes. But you are more experienced with the swing and you obviously have a better feel for it. So the question to you is; do you think that is a possibility? Please take some time and give an unemotional and reasoned response. Failing that, if what he is saying is true and the video and the conditions he is describing are accurate then either there is some straight shot anti-cheat code under the hood that the developers are keeping to themselves, these always seem to be discovered by the player base, or there is something wrong with the code.

 

If it is anti-cheat code then the developers will hopefully put the amount of straight shots per session in a row at some random number input so it is less predictable. Some of you veteran players or closed door beta testers may already be aware of this, I don't know. But you always got to calculate the human factor and there incredible ability to root things out.

 

I get that you do not care but that's not going to prevent other people from caring or simply dissecting the game. It always happens. If anything it gives the developers something to think about anti-cheat wise.

[mebby]

The point he is trying to make, I believe, is that there might possibly be some errors in the code that cause this and perhaps those errors pop up erroneously even on non-on plane shots. Like sometimes when you feel you've hit it straight and it shanks. Happens to me sometimes. But you are more experienced with the swing and you obviously have a better feel for it. So the question to you is; do you think that is a possibility. Please take some time and give an unemotional and reasoned response. Failing that, if what he is saying is true and the video and the conditions he is describing are accurate then either there is some straight shot anti-cheat code under the hood that the developers are keeping to themselves. These always seem to be discovered by the player base.

 

If it is anti-cheat code then the developers will hopefully put the amount of straight shots per session in a row at some random number input so it is less predictable. Some of you veteran players or closed door beta testers may already be aware of this, I don't know. But you always got to calculate the human factor and there incredible ability to root things out.

 

I get that you do not care but that's not going to prevent other people from caring or simply dissecting the game. It always happens. If anything it gives the developers something to think about anti-cheat wise.

What I'm saying is that I do not care because I don't play with devices that attempt to eliminate an axis.  And in my experiences (playing with legitimate controllers - DS4, XB360, and XB1) I've never once experienced this. Sure I've had shots that went off course when I felt that I executed a good shot but that's simply the nature of playing on a high difficulty level.  It requires near perfection so an occasional bad shot is expected.

 

I think what's possibly happening is that he's trying to use software and/or a crappy controller to eliminate an axis and it's not working as perfectly as he thinks it is.  What I mean is that the horizontal axis is not 100% eliminated and these imperfections are manifesting itself in some unexpected results.

 

What's the point in even TRYING this?  It's like putting diesel in a gasoline vehicle and then wondering why it sputters and smokes while driving down the road.

[stopits here]

The point he is trying to make, I believe, is that there might possibly be some errors in the code that cause this and perhaps those errors pop up erroneously even on non-on plane shots. Like sometimes when you feel you've hit it straight and it shanks. Happens to me sometimes. But you are more experienced with the swing and you obviously have a better feel for it. So the question to you is; do you think that is a possibility? Please take some time and give an unemotional and reasoned response. Failing that, if what he is saying is true and the video and the conditions he is describing are accurate then either there is some straight shot anti-cheat code under the hood that the developers are keeping to themselves, these always seem to be discovered by the player base, or there is something wrong with the code.

 

If it is anti-cheat code then the developers will hopefully put the amount of straight shots per session in a row at some random number input so it is less predictable. Some of you veteran players or closed door beta testers may already be aware of this, I don't know. But you always got to calculate the human factor and there incredible ability to root things out.

 

I get that you do not care but that's not going to prevent other people from caring or simply dissecting the game. It always happens. If anything it gives the developers something to think about anti-cheat wise.

With a steady back swing and steady forward swing the ball will go straight every time, if you slow down the swing a touch you will shank left. 

[mebby]

With a steady back swing and steady forward swing the ball will go straight every time, if you slow down the swing a touch you will shank left. 

If this is happening with your cheating methods then it's likely due to the fact that when you slow your forward swing you are increasing the chances for the stick to go slightly off track (easier to move it straight when moving it swiftly than when moving it slowly).  I'm not sure what unsavory methods you are using to cheat but I'm guessing it's not as efficient at eliminating the axis as you think it is.

 

Do me a favor though.  Put the game mode to the easiest possible level and use a normal controller.  Repeat your same experiment (without attempting to eliminate an axis) and tell me what results you get.

[stopits here]

What I'm saying is that I do not care because I don't play with devices that attempt to eliminate an axis.  And in my experiences (playing with legitimate controllers - DS4, XB360, and XB1) I've never once experienced this. Sure I've had shots that went off course when I felt that I executed a good shot but that's simply the nature of playing on a high difficulty level.  It requires near perfection so an occasional bad shot is expected.

 

I think what's possibly happening is that he's trying to use software and/or a crappy controller to eliminate an axis and it's not working as perfectly as he thinks it is.  What I mean is that the horizontal axis is not 100% eliminated and these imperfections are manifesting itself in some unexpected results.

 

What's the point in even TRYING this?  It's like putting diesel in a gasoline vehicle and then wondering why it sputters and smokes while driving down the road.

absolutely wrong, again nothing to do with cheating, if that was the case why would i start talking about it on here, i could haply say nothing, this controller will hit every shot straight if you keep a good "TEMPO" 

[mebby]

absolutely wrong, again nothing to do with cheating, if that was the case why would i start talking about it on here, i could haply say nothing, this controller will hit every shot straight if you keep a good "TEMPO" 

Humor me and do what I asked.  My point is that you are playing the game in way that was never intended and then you're asking why you're getting unexpected results. 

 

Drop down to the easiest possible level (which means it's VERY difficult to NOT hit the ball straight) and use a legitimate controller.  Hit normal shots and then slow your downswing and see if the ball still goes right.

[stopits here]

Can we please STOP with this CHEATING label, no one is cheating here it's an experiment.

[StoneComet]

With a steady back swing and steady forward swing the ball will go straight every time, if you slow down the swing a touch you will shank left. 

 

That is more beneficial information. That means possibly that my anti-cheat idea is wrong. Wish it were not. Anyhow, that is an interesting observation. Now unplug that thing before you get yourself into too much trouble. I kind of find it hard to believe that you are doing this just to bend the rules. Usually folks that are up to nefarious things lie low and bilk the system. At any rate, all eyes are on you now.

[mebby]

Can we please STOP with this CHEATING label, no one is cheating here it's an experiment.

Then do the experiment that I asked you to do.  It will provide more information to see if there actually is a coding issue.

[Crow357]

There is an amount of time that the forward swing has to complete, that's for sure.  But the times I've been too slow with my downswing, my backswing gets truncated and I get a very poor shot distance-wise.   But I've never seen it shank tho.

[mebby]

Can we please STOP with this CHEATING label, no one is cheating here it's an experiment.

Also - you can't honestly expect to come onto a golf video game forum and talk about using a no-axis controller and NOT get labeled a cheater.   You have to sleep in the bed that you make.  If you honestly think there is an issue with tempo on RTSC then there are better ways to show it than what you're doing.

 

All I'm saying is that, in my experiences with legit controllers I have not witnessed the issue that you are bringing up.  So my only conclusion can be that somehow the fact that you're using a zero axis controller is causing issues with the game.

[Andrew]

This is actually very interesting.  We have added some anti cheat code in the beta which will prevent zero axis controller use but this video is from the public build.  The public release version actually uses the Y value to set the X value.  When the stick is perfectly forward the Y value is 1 and the X value is 0.  If you are using a zero axis controller and do not push forward straight then the Y value will not be 1 it will be 0.9x  so we use the 0.9x to compute what the x is and then apply that to the swing path.  

 

Probably when you swing forward very fast with pressure the stick settles at 1 on the Y by the time the code has registered what the Y value is hence no swing path deviation, but when you swing forward slowly the system catches the initial point at which the swing ends as not 1 on Y and so calculates an offset.  It only does this if y< 1 and X =0 as it implies a zero axis controller.

[mebby]

There is an amount of time that the forward swing has to complete, that's for sure.  But the times I've been too slow with my downswing, my backswing gets truncated and I get a very poor shot distance-wise.   But I've never seen it shank tho.

Yea - this is a good point.  If you take TOO long to complete your swing then you'll get reduced distance.  But in my experience it does not have an impact on how straight your shot is.

[zmax - sim]

I believe mebby is correct.  What Stopit is seeing on his cheater controller is probably the imperfect reading of a mechanical POT.  It has a huge dead x-axis but perhaps not 100% dead.

[Greensboronclion]

Come on lets get on the course and play some golf.  The beauty of my game is that at the higher levels with the controller my caddie and I get to see quite a bit of the course and many trees so all these numbers do is confuse the hell out of us.  On to the OGT PGA event and time to slap the old ball around and quit talking about it.  lol.

[stopits here]

Humor me and do what I asked.  My point is that you are playing the game in way that was never intended and then you're asking why you're getting unexpected results. 

 

Drop down to the easiest possible level (which means it's VERY difficult to NOT hit the ball straight) and use a legitimate controller.  Hit normal shots and then slow your downswing and see if the ball still goes right.

OK i did what you asked, put the game in beginner mode with the controller I USE TO PLAY THE GAME, the ball never moved left or right, the readout did change though, anything from 2 off plain to 9, i honestly couldn't say if a slower swing made any difference?.