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[Ted_Ball]

Is there any chance that custom/adjustable club distances are being considered for the current or next version of PG?  

About as much chance as getting a reply.

[yesrushdt]

At this point we do not even know if the Windows 10 version will be through Steam or Microsoft Store.  But since it will be using the XBOX Live multiplayer it is possible that Steam is not the right place for it.

A lot of speculation and not a lot of answers at this point.  The reason is we dont have any yet.  As soon as we know and are in a position to communicate we will do so.

 

Good to know that you're considering not having the game on the Microsoft Store.  I'll reiterate that think it would be unfair to make the 3D grass, speed tree instancing, new lighting system, mo-capped golfers, etc on a new version of JNPG only (or via a paid update), especially for those that just purchased the game over the last year.

 

No decision has been made about this yet. There is no technical reason why we cannot support dx11+ gaming on Steam.

 

I personally think it would be best to integrate all of the new features into the current Steam game and be done with it.  Like I mentioned a couple months ago, people could select what version of direct x they have (many current games have this option).  Any direct x version their pc/operating system doesn't support would not be selectable.  Those with dx9/10 would be playing the game without the graphical updates and those with dx11 or better would have the graphical updates.  It would be much less confusing and more practical to have just one PC version. 

[Buck]

Developers:  Please don't worry about older directX versions for future PG versions.

Let's move into the future (the present for most other games quite honestly) and build off of newer technologies and leave the past in the past.

[Buck]

  I'll reiterate that think it would be unfair to make the 3D grass, speed tree instancing, new lighting system, mo-capped golfers, etc on a new version of JNPG only (or via a paid update), especially for those that just purchased the game over the last year.

 

 

Why would it be "unfair"?

New version = New features.

 

By the time any new/non-Steam version even comes out, the current Steam PG game will be well over a year old anyhow.

 

It's important to note that the vision for the "new version" isn't meant to necessarily directly replace the current version.  

 

The current Steam PG game is apparently set to have a long future on it's own, just with a less aggressive feature path.  

Based upon feedback here in the forum, I think the Steam version will continue to be embraced by many, just as many of us will break off into the newer technology version.

[maxie]

Many? how many ,the game lobby has at the most 90 players in its current form dividing the game with an updated version wont bring in many more players to a new pc version.Lots of pc golfers are not going to spend a small fortune just to play the windows 10 version.

[Buck]

Many? how many ,the game lobby has at the most 90 players in its current form dividing the game with an updated version wont bring in many more players to a new pc version.Lots of pc golfers are not going to spend a small fortune just to play the windows 10 version.

 

I think that's looking at it in reverse honestly..

I would argue there is market to capture with a more modern looking and feature complete game than we currently have.

 

Additionally - Remember that the "new version" is specifically also about getting onto consoles, where a huge chunk of gamers *only* spend their time.

 

Not sure what you mean by "small fortune".  

The next version will likely be out when it's time to pay again no matter what.

 

One should expect to pay, averaged out, about $40-60/year for a well maintained game.

[maxie]

I wasnt talking about consoles buck yes i know what you mean but the pc gamers like myself dont like playing consoles.A lot of the old die hard pc golfers wont buy a console to play a golf game.Ok small fortune was a bit over the top but to upgrade their pcs to play a windows 10 version just to play a golf game may not seem worth it.The developers have brough us a fantastic game even older pc systems can play it although not with the eye candy that newer systems are able to manage.Pc golfers want a good pc golf sim we got it with PG.

Yes one should expect to pay the fee for a well maintained game but im talking about the numbers playing and if its upgraded to a new version which needs higher end machines to play they wont go buy a new pc sysyem new mb cpu gpu to play a nicer looking version.

[Buck]

@maxie

Totally agree and I think that's why they're going to leave the steam version as is and not add a whole bunch of stuff to it that might bog it down for just the users you're talking about.

But for the rest of us and the people that aren't yet interested, there's an expectation of better graphics and lighting and more features to take advantage of modern hardware.

They really just can't grow the user base if they don't move the game platform forward into the future.

[Ted_Ball]

Are we pawns in this game Buck? Do they sit around, the fab four, and over coffee from the local barista have a chuckle over the moisture of public opinion that drips inconsequentially from their anatidean backs?

 

What do they have to worry about? The money trickles in, flowing like lifeblood which sustains their whimsical vision of adolescent fantasy. What do they owe us? Precisely nothing. We are just so many Olivers pleading collectively for more when they believe we have more than enough.

 

And why would they feed the loyal chooks who, even though we see a hole in the yard fence remain expectantly hoping for an extra thrown handful of grains of expectation?

 

Am I so naive that I speculate if I was a principal of a golf sim that I would be so proud of my product and so excited about the future of my baby that I wouldn't be able to contain my enthusiasm and would share every tiny advancement with people who have actually thrown money towards my beloved project.

 

I am obviously of a different breed.

 

We make the mistake of asking for specific improvements which only diminishes the profound and true question that we all wish, demand and expect. We also make the sycophantic mistake of universally praising the product as it is presented currently. Well at least some of us do.

[ProFirefighter]

... Blowing smoke up developer butts or criticizing them to the nth degree all have exactly the same effect of "making no difference".

 

Developers:  Please don't worry about older directX versions for future PG versions.

Let's move into the future (the present for most other games quite honestly) and build off of newer technologies and leave the past in the past.

 

Duplicitous much? lol

 

Let's move into reality and make the game available to as many people as possible, not just to those who are obsessed with updating OS's ...

[JCat04]

Lots of pc golfers are not going to spend a small fortune just to play the windows 10 version.

 

If you've got a machine that has 8GB RAM and a video card that's DirectX 11 compatible (as probably 95% of us do), you won't have to spend a small fortune to play the Windows 10 version.  In terms of specs, the Windows 10 version is said to be almost twice as efficient as the current, DirectX 9 compatible version that's on Steam, due to is use of Unity 5.5 and SpeedTree instancing.  IOW, if you've got Windows 10 as an OS, you shouldn't have to spend another penny on your system to get a level of performance in excess of what you're seeing now.

[Buck]

Duplicitous much? lol

 

Let's move into reality and make the game available to as many people as possible, not just to those who are obsessed with updating OS's ...

 

 

You're really grasping..

Asking the developers to maintain their own vision of moving the game forward is not "blowing smoke"...

 

You'd think a "ProFireFighter" would have a better handle on what "smoke" actually is..

 

 

2nd point:

 

"Make the game available to as many people as possible" - Great idea!

 

That is precisely what PP is trying to do by making a new and more modern version than we currently have.

 

Growth is tapped out right now as the mainstream gamers on consoles currently can't get it and there's a faction that doesn't even want it, since it's missing so many features and graphical touches they are used to and expect.

 

The current Steam version will continue to exist for those unwilling to move to the more modern version.

[Buck]

Let's move into reality

 

 

JC has you covered..

 

 

...if you've got Windows 10 as an OS, you shouldn't have to spend another penny on your system to get a level of performance in excess of what you're seeing now.

[maxie]

If you've got a machine that has 8GB RAM and a video card that's DirectX 11 compatible (as probably 95% of us do), you won't have to spend a small fortune to play the Windows 10 version.  In terms of specs, the Windows 10 version is said to be almost twice as efficient as the current, DirectX 9 compatible version that's on Steam, due to is use of Unity 5.5 and SpeedTree instancing.  IOW, if you've got Windows 10 as an OS, you shouldn't have to spend another penny on your system to get a level of performance in excess of what you're seeing now.

Processor: 2 core duo E8400 @ 3.00 Ghz. 3.00 Ghz    So this cpu will meet min spec? 

[Buck]

Processor: 2 core duo E8400 @ 3.00 Ghz. 3.00 Ghz So this cpu will meet min spec?

That CPU released nine years ago...
Your best bet will be an Xbox version of PG

[maxie]

I have a decent sysyem i5 16 gig ram and a gtx1060 , jcat says that if you have a machine with 8 gig ram and a card thats dx11 running windows 10 you would be fine,just wondering what the min cpu will be as this is the min cpu for the current version.

[Buck]

I have a decent sysyem i5 16 gig ram and a gtx1060 , jcat says that if you have a machine with 8 gig ram and a card thats dx11 running windows 10 you would be fine,just wondering what the min cpu will be as this is the min cpu for the current version.

 

My misunderstanding..

 

I won't speak for JC, but the "absolute minimums" that will run an OS (win10 in this case) definitely will not yield great gaming results, especially if the CPU is ancient.

GPU, CPU, RAM, Bus speeds, Storage speeds - lots of components in play and the "weakest link" phenomenon definitely is in play.

 

If someone is using hardware that's 5+ years old, they should probably expect to use the current Steam version of PG or plan on going to console when that option exists, as a console will be the most affordable way to be able to play PG if the user isn't interested updating their PC.

[JCat04]

Processor: 2 core duo E8400 @ 3.00 Ghz. 3.00 Ghz    So this cpu will meet min spec? 

 

I ran a report on your example CPU at GameDebates.com, but I didn't know what GPU and how much RAM you had in mind to pair with it.  I went with something that was fairly common two years ago (8 GB RAM and a Geforce GTX 750 Ti GPU), although your CPU is more like 8 years old,  and came up with this report (you'll have to fill in the top three lines to put your actual hardware into the report):

 

ttp://www.game-debate.com/hardware/index.php?pid=15&cpu=Core%202%20Duo%20E8400%203.0GHz

 

As you can see, your example CPU barely meets the minimum requirements for the current Jack Nicklaus Perfect Golf.  If you change the filter to "Recommended",  you'll see that this CPU falls well below the mark.  What I can't answer is how well this CPU would work with Windows 10.  The link below will show you that two people are running Windows 10 with that CPU, so at least it will run Windows 10).  I have a four core i5-4440, that's two years old, and it works quite will with Windows 10, 8 GB RAM, and a 3 GB Geforce GTX 1060.  I'm astounded at the performance levels I get out of my machine and JNPG.  Your gaming machine you mentioned would be even better than mine with Windows 10 games.

 

http://www.tomshardw...ompatibity.html

[ProFirefighter]

If you've got a machine that has 8GB RAM and a video card that's DirectX 11 compatible (as probably 95% of us do), you won't have to spend a small fortune to play the Windows 10 version.  In terms of specs, the Windows 10 version is said to be almost twice as efficient as the current, DirectX 9 compatible version that's on Steam, due to is use of Unity 5.5 and SpeedTree instancing.  IOW, if you've got Windows 10 as an OS, you shouldn't have to spend another penny on your system to get a level of performance in excess of what you're seeing now.

 

"if"

"probably"

"said to be"

 

lol

 

You're really grasping..

Asking the developers to maintain their own vision of moving the game forward is not "blowing smoke"...

You'd think a "ProFireFighter" would have a better handle on what "smoke" actually is..

 

2nd point:

 

"Make the game available to as many people as possible" - Great idea!

 

That is precisely what PP is trying to do by making a new and more modern version than we currently have.

 

Growth is tapped out right now as the mainstream gamers on consoles currently can't get it and there's a faction that doesn't even want it, since it's missing so many features and graphical touches they are used to and expect.

 

The current Steam version will continue to exist for those unwilling to move to the more modern version.

 

You're really deflecting ...

 

Reread the definition of "duplicitous", and then review your comments.

 

You'd think someone who's tapped out nearly 4,000 posts on a gaming forum would have a good enough grasp of language to maintain a running conversation.

 

2nd point:

 

"The current Steam version will continue to exist for those unwilling to move to the more modern version." Good point!

 

So there's little need wasting time pushing W10, as no one can conclude with any veracity as to whether JNPG in it's current form is "tapped out". 

 

JC has you covered..

 

I've got me covered ...

[DivotMaker]

Processor: 2 core duo E8400 @ 3.00 Ghz. 3.00 Ghz    So this cpu will meet min spec? 

 

I had this exact same CPU before I conducted my upgrade this time last year and I can tell you that with even a Radeon Nano 4GB card, JNPG chugged. Nano and i7 6700 Skylake along with 16 GB of fast system ram solved that problem. That being said, there are some user courses that chug with even the Radeon Pro Duo I have with 8GB of VRAM.....changing this soon to the 1080GTX Ti as soon as I can find an EVGA version in stock that is not priced to scalp.....