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Best Answer olazaboll , 12 November 2016 - 11:57 PM

I think I spotted what I did wrong ... I tried to do just like you , but I think I took the wrong control point when I did the second "end water hazard" .... I took the one before the starting point instead of the one after .... It sure look like you are doing the rigth thing John ... 

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#1 olazaboll

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Posted 12 November 2016 - 09:04 PM

Hello

 

Now this has happened to me twice on two diifferent holes , and I don't really know if I do something wrong or not.

When I set the start and end to Water Hazard, the area that I thougth should be Lateral turns yellow , and the Waterhazard turns red ,,, when I try to adjust , the stakes are still there in the wrong color ....

Somehow the color in the back was right from the beginning ...( at least i think it was from the start, anyway the sticks there were yellow as they should ... )

To try to fix this I I proceded as follows ...right or wrong:

I changed the Lateral Hazard to Water Hazard instead , and set a start and end to a Lateral Hazard instead... this changed so the colors of the splines looked ok ... like the picture below .... (now when it first went wrong it endend up with the oposite colors from the pic ...except from the back part .... again I think )

I then deleted the sticks one by one ....( when I did this the other day on the other hole , I accidently missed to select one stick and deleted the whole terrain instead ... manage to turn things right again with CTRL / Z ... but it was a scary moment ...)

I recalculated the spline of the water hazard and expected to get the right colored sticks back , but that didnt happened ...no sticks at all ....  so I made a CTRL / D thing with the sticks ...like the tutorial of the fence planting ....

All looks ok now , havent played it yet in the game ...hole not finnished yet .... but it feels quite obvious to me that this is not the way it should be done .... 

One theory I have that the shape of the L-H i drew is not simular to the one of the tutorial ... / THX , Ola77db242ed2.jpg



#2 Mike Jones

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Posted 12 November 2016 - 10:02 PM

Why change the later to a water hazard to start with? Just add your normal hazard areas to your lateral hazard.



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Posted 12 November 2016 - 11:18 PM

Why change the later to a water hazard to start with? Just add your normal hazard areas to your lateral hazard.

So with this you mean making 3 different splines / Water Hazard / Lateral Hazard / Water Hazard   ?



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Posted 12 November 2016 - 11:36 PM

Ive got a major water hazard on Heacham Manor that is a mix of lateral and regular water hazards and it changes multiple times in the same hazard spline

 

So basically I drew a lateral water hazard spline.  Then for the areas of that spline where I wanted it to be a "normal" hazard I just used the right click "start water hazard" and then when I got to the bit where it wanted it to be lateral again, just right clicked and "end water hazard"

Went further around the spline, and where it became a normal hazard again ( ie it turned 90 degrees and ran perpendicular to the line of play) I then again changed it as above to normal. When it turned to run parallel with the hole i then ended water hazard and it continues on as a lateral

 

Not sure if this is the right way to do it, but it works fine and made the most sense to me

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Posted 12 November 2016 - 11:57 PM   Best Answer

I think I spotted what I did wrong ... I tried to do just like you , but I think I took the wrong control point when I did the second "end water hazard" .... I took the one before the starting point instead of the one after .... It sure look like you are doing the rigth thing John ... 



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Posted 13 November 2016 - 01:15 AM

Ive got a major water hazard on Heacham Manor that is a mix of lateral and regular water hazards and it changes multiple times in the same hazard spline

 

So basically I drew a lateral water hazard spline.  Then for the areas of that spline where I wanted it to be a "normal" hazard I just used the right click "start water hazard" and then when I got to the bit where it wanted it to be lateral again, just right clicked and "end water hazard"

Went further around the spline, and where it became a normal hazard again ( ie it turned 90 degrees and ran perpendicular to the line of play) I then again changed it as above to normal. When it turned to run parallel with the hole i then ended water hazard and it continues on as a lateral

 

Not sure if this is the right way to do it, but it works fine and made the most sense to me

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This would be good in the tutorials section.


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Posted 21 February 2017 - 07:06 PM

Ive got a major water hazard on Heacham Manor that is a mix of lateral and regular water hazards and it changes multiple times in the same hazard spline

 

So basically I drew a lateral water hazard spline.  Then for the areas of that spline where I wanted it to be a "normal" hazard I just used the right click "start water hazard" and then when I got to the bit where it wanted it to be lateral again, just right clicked and "end water hazard"

Went further around the spline, and where it became a normal hazard again ( ie it turned 90 degrees and ran perpendicular to the line of play) I then again changed it as above to normal. When it turned to run parallel with the hole i then ended water hazard and it continues on as a lateral

 

Not sure if this is the right way to do it, but it works fine and made the most sense to me

hazard.jpg

I'm in the process of building my first course. At my current rate I expect to have it ready by 2019. I'm planning to use some large bodies of water and wanted to have some parts as lateral water hazards and others as normal water hazards. I found your post and had a question. In the tutorial video on lateral water hazards Mike talks about splitting the lateral hazard so that a drop on either side would be an option. Splitting the hazard creates the logic so that CF does not just see one big circle.

 

I'm wondering how do you handle this issue with those parts that are defined as lateral water hazards ?



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Posted 01 March 2017 - 08:34 AM

Can anyone figure out what I'm doing wrong here? All the hazards on this course are either "Rehit Only" or they give me one 1,000 yard out-of-bounds drop option.
 

- The terrain is well above zero.

- The terrain below the water plane is sufficiently lowered.

- The mesh collider is on, and set to "water" and "plane".

- The hazard spline has two red segments and two yellow segments.

 

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I've spent two days trying to get this $#%ing thing to work and it is basically delaying the release of this course as a beta.


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Posted 01 March 2017 - 09:52 AM

Im sure youve already checked this, but only time I had that during a build was due to the OB spline, either having multiple ones, or it not building correctly. 

 

Could try deleting out the OB spline and putting it back in? 


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Posted 01 March 2017 - 01:47 PM

I'd suggest making the entire pond a regular water hazard and do away with the lateral hazard portions.  I don't know if that would fix the issue and I don't have a solution to your issue.  To me, making the "sides of the pond" as lateral hazards is unnecessarily complicating things. 



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Posted 01 March 2017 - 08:14 PM

You have to have two segments of the opposite hazard type on every hazard spline, unless something's changed.


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Posted 01 March 2017 - 08:50 PM

You do not have to have 2 segments, you can use

just a water hazard spline if there is no lateral needed. 2 segments only for

a lateral water hazard.


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Posted 01 March 2017 - 09:41 PM

I made it all yellow but it didn't solve the problem anyway, plus there's four other ponds on this course. Kinda running out of ideas (and patience) quickly.


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Posted 01 March 2017 - 10:08 PM

Can you post a zoomed out overhead view of all splines?  



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Posted 01 March 2017 - 11:07 PM

Alright, whole thing....
 

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Posted 01 March 2017 - 11:56 PM

I'm just grasping at straws here.  When you made the hazard lines, did you first make water hazard and then add in lateral hazard lines, or did you draw them out as lateral and add in just the water sections?


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Posted 02 March 2017 - 12:56 AM

I almost always draw them as lateral first, and add the yellow sections second, unless I want the hazard to be predominantly yellow in the first place. It's the same thing I've done on 10 other courses and never had a problem.... actually I shouldn't say that, I did get an occasional weird drop showing up on other courses, but it usually was the third or fourth option.

 

That's what I can't figure out about this is that it will only give me rehit or nothing most of the time. Mike?


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Posted 02 March 2017 - 01:16 AM

Well, I've always done it the opposite as I remember something about it being best to add lateral to a water, not add water to a lateral. But, wait for Mike to reply is best.
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Posted 02 March 2017 - 02:06 AM

Im sure youve already checked this, but only time I had that during a build was due to the OB spline, either having multiple ones, or it not building correctly. 

 

Could try deleting out the OB spline and putting it back in? 

 

Have you checked what johnmeyer said. It does sound like an OB issue.


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Posted 02 March 2017 - 03:33 AM

Redrew entire OB spline; problem not solved.


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