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[RobC]

Buck, on 24 May 2020 - 03:27 AM, said:

 

 

Anyone else have guesses as to why they wouldn't be using 3DG all over?

 

 

From what I can see from the BMWTrackman Coverage and YouTube videos they are....you just can't see it from flyover distance....Simple

[Buck]

RobC, on 24 May 2020 - 09:26 AM, said:

From what I can see from the BMWTrackman Coverage and YouTube videos they are....you just can't see it from flyover distance....Simple

 

Thx - I think you're likely right after watching very closely a few more videos.

It is quite hard to pick out with the types of videos they've showcased.

 

It really seems aggressive with how quick it appears to fade out / turn off.

I'm surprised by this as I thought Turf Effects were supposed to be very performant.

 

GTX 1070+ GPUs should be more than enough horsepower to have a lot more grass I would have thought.

 

[Joe Habiger]

Yeah on that screenshot you can see the grass cuts out after about 5 feet or something, questions why the grass was even used if you can't show it off more. It still comes down to performance really and if customers are complaining about performance than they either need to take it out of the course or cut down the density it shows.

[Buck]

Joe Habiger, on 24 May 2020 - 3:08 PM, said:

Yeah on that screenshot you can see the grass cuts out after about 5 feet or something, questions why the grass was even used if you can't show it off more. It still comes down to performance really and if customers are complaining about performance than they either need to take it out of the course or cut down the density it shows.

 
I agree..
 
It also seems like in many sim setups, the user is probably barely even able to make out the 3DG from the distance they are at, and with the various ambient lighting and resolution combos in use.
 

[DPRoberts]

I don't think TM or TGC are capable of making significant graphical changes once something new, like the grass, is discovered/available.

They have to wait for the next cycle if they do it at all. They also seem content not to take risks. From what I've seen, I think there is 1 course completed in the overlay style. If they put out an impressive looking 3DG course, would they go back and modify all existing courses?

TM is likely not a large development team is my guess. Probably 3 designers, including Mike.

Then, the UI isn't set to take course updates or is it? If a lot is manual delete and loading of courses, users will make mistakes and cost the help line time and money.

Looking back on the first grass tests, you guys helped push it to improve. Some have been able to incorporate it better than others.

We can test out on the masses without fear of mistakes. We have the luxury of a sandbox approach to design. Skunky can churn out 9 iterations of a course, add panos and 3DG without worrying about the impact on the user end.

They have to put out a consistent product with the thought of release and move on.

[Buck]

DPRoberts, on 24 May 2020 - 3:41 PM, said:

Then, the UI isn't set to take course updates or is it? If a lot is manual delete and loading of courses, users will make mistakes and cost the help line time and money.

 
I think it's totally hands off and self updating, just as our stock installs (and courses) are.

DPRoberts, on 24 May 2020 - 3:41 PM, said:

From what I've seen, I think there is 1 course completed in the overlay style.

Which is that, just out of curiosity?

[DPRoberts]

Hillwood CC. It was on a video with like 4 other courses. On the flyover, it has fairways that are colored like Winged Foot with half the fairway cut toward the tee and halfway away from the tee.

[Buck]

Here's a HQ video from their Facebook in Feb 2020

 

Nice and easy to see the grass with the better quality vid

 

[Joe Habiger]

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Skunky can churn out 9 iterations of a course, add panos and 3DG without worrying about the impact on the user end.

 

Honestly I thought that was funny but at the same time very true, this is why we love Skunky!

I wish I had the drive he has, hell i'm lucky to release a course every two years and I have some great damn designs on my drive already imported. I am redoing Hazeltine slowly and I would like to do 3d grass and raised cart paths but I am taking one step at a time and even if that means just redoing textures, recoloring the trees and adding lots of rough buffer shapes so I can keep all the rough consistent looking from hole to hole then I will do that for now but I still want to release an update because I love that course so much.

[Joe Habiger]

Buck, on 24 May 2020 - 6:42 PM, said:

Here's a HQ video from their Facebook in Feb 2020

 

Nice and easy to see the grass with the better quality vid

 

 

Yes nice to see grass but you barely see it as it only extends maybe 5 feet before it fades out. That is not even worth my fricken time to add it if your going to do that crap. Again though it could be they were getting feedback that it was to hard on peoples $15 thousand dollar systems that they had to make some adjustments...lol

[Buck]

This has turned into one hell of a course list!

 

I've also noticed 3DG on some of the originals (like Crystal Pines) - jealous..

 

 

• Abel's Crossing

• Adare Manor

• Albany GC

• Bellerive CC

• Bethesda CC

• Black Desert Resort

• Club de Golf Chapultepec

• Country Club of Jackson

• Crystal Pines

• Devil's Island

• Donalda Club

• Eniwa CC: Akan and Mashu

• Eniwa CC: Mashu and Shikotsu

• Eniwa CC: Shikotsu and Akan

• Falmouth CC

• Franklin Hills CC

• GC Budersand

• GC München Eichenried

• GKG Golf Club

• Glen Abbey GC

• Glen Oaks Club - Tournament Course

• Golf Club Herzogenaurach

• Hidden Canyon

• Hillcrest C.C.

• Hillcrest Short Course 'The Five'

• Hillwood CC

• Holzhäusern Golf Park

• Hualalai Resort

• Hudson National

• Innisbrook Copperhead

• Interlachen CC

• Kempferhof Golf Course

• Kettle Brook GC

• Kissing Tree

• Lahinch GC

• Leon De Montana

• Lidingö Golf Club

• Lostwood Glen

• Montecito Club

• Muirfield Village

• Noboribetsu Country Club

• Olympic Golf Course

• Paris International G.C.

• Park Golf Club

• PGA National

• Portland Golf Club

• Primland - Highland Course

• Quail Hollow Club

• Real Club Valderrama

• Reykjavik Korpa Sjorinn/Ain

• Ridgewood CC - Championship Course

• Royal Birkdale

• Royal Portrush - Dunluce Links

• Royal Troon

• Rungsted Golf Course

• Sand River

• Sea Island Plantation

• Sea Island Seaside

• Sebonack

• Senoja Valley

• Shadowlands

• Shelter Harbor

• Silverleaf Club

• St Andrews Links Castle Course

• St Andrews Links Jubilee Course

• St Andrews Links New Course

• St Andrews Links Old Course

• Sutton Bay

• Sutton Bay Short Course

• Sweetens Cove GC

• Taiheiyo Club Gotemba Course

• The Aces Club

• The Grove

• The Lost Nine

• Timberline Golf Club

• Trinity Forest Golf Club

• Troubadour Golf and Field Club

• Wachusett CC

• Wentworth West Course

• Wilshire CC

• Wörthsee

[remers]

Maybe we'll be thrown a few crumbs from the top table in the future Buck.  I'm a fairly optimistic guy and I definitely haven't given up hope of some sort of standalone PC release.

Come on Mike/Andrew give us something to cling on to

[IanK]

remers, on 23 Oct 2020 - 8:41 PM, said:

Maybe we'll be thrown a few crumbs from the top table in the future Buck.  I'm a fairly optimistic guy and I definitely haven't given up hope of some sort of standalone PC release.

Come on Mike/Andrew give us something to cling on to

I doubt that very much. I noticed Mike was looking at this thread yesterday but didn’t take the trouble to comment.

[Keith]

Would definitely love a look at the Sea Island courses, but oh well.

[yesrushdt]

Keith, on 24 Oct 2020 - 6:05 PM, said:

Would definitely love a look at the Sea Island courses, but oh well.

 

yesrushdt, on 22 Nov 2019 - 09:11 AM, said:

The YouTube channel Swing Golf Lounge has uploaded fly by videos of all 18 holes of the Sea Island Seaside course on VG2.

 

https://www.youtube....wkWDZxjFcmVY_7C

[IanK]

A bit underwhelming!

[Buck]

IanK, on 26 Oct 2020 - 6:35 PM, said:

A bit underwhelming!

 

What is?

[IanK]

Buck, on 26 Oct 2020 - 6:37 PM, said:

What is?

The videos of Sea Island GC.

[Buck]

IanK, on 26 Oct 2020 - 6:40 PM, said:

The videos of Sea Island GC.

 

Oh - Not sure about that one in particular, but on the whole, I vastly prefer PG courses to TGC variants.

 

The variety and uniqueness of different tracks can be captured so much more interestly and realistically thanks to Course Forge - at least in my opinion.

 

TGC courses always sort of look like "TGC courses", no matter the exact design, etc

[IanK]

I also prefer the look of PG courses but these videos don’t seem to show much improvement over the unfinished game we are all stuck with.

 

I think TGC have missed a trick with their CA. If only it was possible to import textures, object, backgrounds etc. into the game that would have been a game changer. With the ease of use and the ability to play your design immediately it would have been fantastic.