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#181 Ted_Ball

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Posted 07 April 2015 - 01:52 AM

Well, I had a completely satisfying round of golf.

 

Round 3   76

no assists, no grids, BLI, and the amazing MS

FWYs - probably 60%

GIRs - about 50%, plenty of bunkers

Putts - around 32, some very near misses

 

I'm turning Pro kitty kats. I won't win much money - just enough to get from tourney to tourney sleeping in my car. I'm gonna befriend Robert Allenby for my social life.


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Posted 07 April 2015 - 01:54 AM

Hey, T_B, here's a fun idea for the next tournament.  4 rounds on the same course with the same conditions for each round.  The difference:  1 round at max/max, 1 at mod/mod, 1 at min/min and 1 at no aids.  Should be interesting.


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Posted 07 April 2015 - 02:15 AM

It would be interesting Joe. 

 

I'm currently thinking through some options after studying the scores coming in from the Masters. I'll certainly be starting the Chicken Run stableford handicap comp (1 round) soon after the Masters winds up.


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Posted 07 April 2015 - 04:40 AM

Best I could do for round 3 was a 72. mod/mod



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Posted 07 April 2015 - 04:53 AM

Round  1    -2    Fr. 9  Par----Ba. 9   -2   70

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Posted 07 April 2015 - 05:33 AM

 "I'm currently thinking through some options after studying the scores coming in from the Masters. I'll certainly be starting the Chicken Run stableford handicap comp (1 round) soon after the Masters winds up."

 

I would like to see two different boards for clickers and swingers. At this point in time it would be nice to see the skills in the different playing options split up in these two groups. Of course everybody will have to mention his preference when handing in scores. A standard could be:

Swing/skills/BLI or: 'MC/mod-mod' for somebody who plays mouse click with mod/mod skills and no BLI;

Or 'MS/max-max/BLI' for somebody who plays mouse swing with max/max skills and with BLi.


Edited by Charles, 07 April 2015 - 05:36 AM.

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Posted 07 April 2015 - 06:12 AM

Unfortunately Charles, the leaderboard staff have no time for more boards. 

 

I want to believe that there is not or shouldn't be a difference or demarcation between swing methods. It might be so but I don't want to believe it. I'll say this though for the future of 72 holes tournaments - there could be a restriction on assists. It might mean a drop in numbers and a rise in dissenting voices but there will be further explanations as the time gets nearer.



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Posted 07 April 2015 - 06:20 AM

Well I had a completely frustrating round of golf (but still enjoyable)

 

Round 4   78

no assists, no grids, BLI and the amazing MS

FWYs - 11/14

GIR - 8/18

Putts - 36 ( a killer, so close so many times (one thing, there is an awful pin position on the 12th on Difficult. Holes should never be cut on a slope like one of those on 12. Looks like the apprentice cut that one. No no no))

 

Anyway, I'm in the clubhouse looking for Robert Allenby or even Jack Newton Jnr.



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Posted 07 April 2015 - 07:33 AM

Teddy_Ball, on 07 Apr 2015 - 06:12 AM, said:

Unfortunately Charles, the leaderboard staff have no time for more boards. I want to believe that there is not or shouldn't be a difference or demarcation between swing methods. It might be so but I don't want to believe it. I'll say this though for the future of 72 holes tournaments - there could be a restriction on assists. It might mean a drop in numbers and a rise in dissenting voices but there will be further explanations as the time gets nearer.

Well Ted, it was just a thought. I like this kind of 'early acces' competition. Just to get the feel of some kind of challenge going for oneself and seeing how one compares to a host of others. I'm convinced there is a big difference between clicking and swinging. It's just different. It's not for nothing that a lot of players will not use de motion swing or vice versa. It's a different feel and approach to playing. For me, I wouldn't even play PG if it wasn't for the motion swing. It's that good for me. I'm not knocking clickers though. There are great players 'over there' too! :)  I'd just like to see how these two groups compare in total scores, thats all. Maybe you could just add a column in a next tournament denoting the type of player?.. (MS/C).. :rolleyes:


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Posted 07 April 2015 - 08:15 AM

It's good to see you are an MSer Charles. It has definitely given me a huge incentive to play computer golf. I tried early Links but my interest fell away and it was probably because of the effect of 3 clicking. I am not knocking 3 clickers either but just maybe I'm making subtle hints about the beauty of MS.

 

In the early 1 round comps I did stipulate each player's method. It was a very small sample but there was a certain lean towards MS at the top of the leaderboard. I offered a theory about that and I stand by that opinion. Having said that, I still can't accept that a 3 clicker couldn't beat an MSer or vice versa so therefore it is probably not possible to say one way or the other which is easier or harder. (Diplomacy is so long-winded).

 

What I will do, once the Lime Green Jacket has been placed on the winner, is show the leaderboard with gradings and Swing methods which will give everyone an idea of how many levels of skill there are in this group. I have done it privately and it is very interesting.

 

While I'm here - and between you, me and the lamp post - I think that maximum assists should only be used for one's introduction to Perfect Golf and having fun online against other people. I don't think it has any place in the comps I'm running having studied the results etc. There should be a reward for practice and other means of improving your game. I think we should encourage people (if they want to compete) to become more experienced and competent. To be completely frank, max/max almost makes having a swing mechanism superfluous. 

 

I'll' be in the bar with Jack Newton Jnr. if anyone has an issue with this. Although he only has one arm he packs a mighty punch.


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Posted 07 April 2015 - 08:25 AM

Teddy_Ball, on 07 Apr 2015 - 08:15 AM, said:

What I will do, once the Lime Green Jacket has been placed on the winner, is show the leaderboard with gradings and Swing methods which will give everyone an idea of how many levels of skill there are in this group. I have done it privately and it is very interesting.

Great! Thanks in advance!


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Posted 07 April 2015 - 11:04 AM

Ted I agree with you 100% on the assists as to Max is for arcade only.  The problem with Max is there is no penalty for a bad swing or click and shooting 62 is a breeze but drop down to the next level and its a whole different game and that is where this game is meant to be played.  I have quit playing Links even tho I still setup a weekly even do to the fact that for a three round event you need to be at least -40 to have a shot and shooting 55 every round is just down right boring.  If you look at the scores from Mod to Min and you see a wide range from like 67 to 75 and that is how a PGA Tour event looks like and how this game should look like.  As I was telling one member yesterday its not easy moving the aids down but it is so much more rewarding.  I don't know if I will ever go to no aids for a long period of time but will try it periodically for the fun of it but I am now playing Min/Mod and enjoy that quite much but Max has to go unless it is nothing more than a one round funner.  Now for the different swings and to me there is no advantage as I personally think the 3C is just as tough at the lower aid levels as MS is so to me there is no reason to separate them.  I prefer like you the MS as it feels like golf and I hate the clicking of the mouse anymore and if this hadn't come along I might have played more of the Golf Club as I just don't want to click anymore.  Just my two cents.


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Posted 07 April 2015 - 01:37 PM

Hiya Teddy,

As a reminder, I'm a 3Clicker using Max Aids.  My 4th round score was a 66 (-6).  Thanks for hosting this fun event.



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Posted 07 April 2015 - 02:01 PM

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Posted 07 April 2015 - 04:46 PM

A bit of redemption in round 4. 77 (+5)

played the last 5 holes at -2 to get to a more respectable score.

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Posted 07 April 2015 - 04:54 PM

Teddy_Ball, on 07 Apr 2015 - 08:15 AM, said:

What I will do, once the Lime Green Jacket has been placed on the winner, is show the leaderboard with gradings and Swing methods which will give everyone an idea of how many levels of skill there are in this group. I have done it privately and it is very interesting.

 

Well, I should have read this entire thread before I "wasted" the last hour or so of my time (just kidding)!

 

First off, thanks to Ted for coordinating these events.  Secondly, apologies to Ted for duplicating his work (probably), but since I spent the time doing it, I figure I might as well share the results.  For Charles, frank70, and myself, I have put together a spreadsheet with the scores, aids, etc.  Not everyone posted the aids they are using or what type of putting help they use (grid, BLI, or both), so I've got quite a few blank spots in the spreadsheet.  Nonetheless, you can view/edit/filter/re-sort the sheet as you wish from this link:

https://docs.google....dit?usp=sharing

 

It would be great if everyone would fill in the blanks for their scores.  It would also be best if before exiting the sheet, it was sorted on "Score" Column B (from A-Z) to keep the leaderboard neat and tidy for the next person visiting the spreadsheet.  Everyone can edit the sheet, and your changes are automatically saved.


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Posted 07 April 2015 - 05:56 PM

Teddy_Ball, on 07 Apr 2015 - 12:54 AM, said:

Leaderboard updated. It's not over !

 

Ok, I'm going out to play round 3 with no assists in sympathy with Armand. In the famous words of Captain Lawrence Oates, "I'm just going outside and I may be some time".

 

Teddy, I'm not looking for sympathy - I'm looking for a consistent mouse movement, especially on short putts!  I've been waiting to see what I need to make the cut .... LMAO!!

 

For any other closet sadists out there -- my second round is now complete.  I find it interesting that I've hit the fairway and green in regulation on the first hole in both rounds.  However, I've 3-putted both times for bogies.  Hole 6 has especially been a killer for me, as I've amassed 21 strokes (11 putts) through the first two rounds.  Three pars on the par 5s in round 1, and 5 pars in round 2 (one with a chip-in).  I've made my first birdie at Mass. on #18 in round 2 (only my 7th birdie in PG, since I started tracking all of my scores).

2nd Round Stats: 

FWYs:  3 / 14 = 21%

GIRs:  3 / 18 = 17%

Putts:  36  (3.00/hole, 2.00/GIR)

Score:  52-46 = 98 (+26)

Even though I missed the cut (unless 100 other terrible PG players join!), I'm going to play the weekend rounds as well. 



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Posted 07 April 2015 - 06:50 PM

Armand, on 07 Apr 2015 - 4:54 PM, said:

Well, I should have read this entire thread before I "wasted" the last hour or so of my time (just kidding)!
 
First off, thanks to Ted for coordinating these events.  Secondly, apologies to Ted for duplicating his work (probably), but since I spent the time doing it, I figure I might as well share the results.  For Charles, frank70, and myself, I have put together a spreadsheet with the scores, aids, etc.  Not everyone posted the aids they are using or what type of putting help they use (grid, BLI, or both), so I've got quite a few blank spots in the spreadsheet.  Nonetheless, you can view/edit/filter/re-sort the sheet as you wish from this link:
https://docs.google....dit?usp=sharing



 
It would be great if everyone would fill in the blanks for their scores.  It would also be best if before exiting the sheet, it was sorted on Column B (from A-Z) to keep the leaderboard neat and tidy for the next person visiting the spreadsheet. 




Everyone can edit the sheet, and your changes are automatically saved.



Armand that is on heck of a spread sheet and much appreciated. Buddy you got more moxie than I as I would have thrown my putter in the virtual lake if I had 11 putts on one hole in two rounds. Lmao. I am going to give the no aids a try tonight and I sure hope the pro shop is open as I might run out of equipment out there if it's as rough as it looks.

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Posted 07 April 2015 - 06:55 PM

rnd 4  64 - 8 max mod on the tee of 14 i hit a good drive but it shot of to the right into the wood any 1 else found that? just wondering if there's a bug there, kept my score cards if they want to be seen. good comp Ted


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Posted 07 April 2015 - 07:17 PM

With my new computer, the graphics are much better (1920x1080, ultra high) and that makes it much easier to judge breaks on putts, etc. without aids.  I don't make many putts outside of 8 or 10 feet, but that is the way I think it should be.  One thing I do struggle with is knowing where the hazards are (since I haven't really used the top view).  I should open it up so at least I can see the layout and where hazards are; I'll save that for round 4!

 

I just played round 3, in which I used a corded mouse rather than my wireless bluetooth mouse (about 7 yrs old).  It seemed to make a world of difference on the putting, although I still made some swing errors (dribbled two off of one of the tee boxes on the front nine and hit OB on the back, #12 I think).  Anyway, 3rd round stats follow:

FWYs:  6 / 14 = 42%

GIRs:  6 / 18 = 33%

Putts:  31  (1.72/hole, 2.00/GIR)

Score:  46-40 = 86 (+14)

 

 

kennetharry, on 07 Apr 2015 - 6:55 PM, said:

rnd 4  64 - 8 max mod on the tee of 14 i hit a good drive but it shot of to the right into the wood any 1 else found that? just wondering if there's a bug there, kept my score cards if they want to be seen. good comp Ted

 

Great round, kenneth.  I believe that makes you the new clubhouse leader - well done!






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