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[Richard]

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Also, I'm not sure what purpose your post is meant to serve. The idea that a discussion should cease simply because a single user doesn't feel "techie" enough to participate, is ridiculous.

 

With this post, there are 61 posts in this topic. I think by now all of the different opinions have been stated. As to the OP, that question will never resolve in a consensus. It's been an interesting discussion, but IMHO, it has run the course. It's now turned into a debate which is no help to the developers goal of enhancing the game. This comment has nothing to do with my 'techie' incompetence.

[tlvx]

With this post, there are 61 posts in this topic. I think by now all of the different opinions have been stated. As to the OP, that question will never resolve in a consensus. It's been an interesting discussion, but IMHO, it has run the course. It's now turned into a debate which is no help to the developers goal of enhancing the game. This comment has nothing to do with my 'techie' incompetence.

 

Is there a "61 post" limit to this forum, that we were previously unaware of?

 

Do you have anything of substance to add, other than that you don't have anything to add; and, apparently based purely on that... summarily, no-one else should be allowed to continue the discussion either?

[Buck]

The idea that a discussion should cease simply because a single user doesn't feel "techie" enough to participate, is ridiculous.

 

Completely agree.

[axe360]

Not to pile on but seriously, the thread was about whether you thought 3 clik was easy or not, I think some are going way beyond what the topic was intended for.. No reason to bring in MS, no reason to bring up "possible ways to cheat" what the hell does that have to do with this topic? Answer "not a damn thing"! 

 

This topic is burnt and for those that have deliberately taken it off course, well, I hope when you actually start your own topic someday, I hope everyone stays on your topic... It's no fun to have your topic hijacked!...

 

 

Outttttt!

[Buck]

....I think some are going way beyond what the topic was intended for..

No reason to bring in MS, no reason to bring up "possible ways to cheat" what the hell does that have to do with this topic? Answer "not a damn thing"! 

 

In that case, blame literally the 2nd post in the thread (which is the first mention of Motion Swing) and the cheating angle only came along on Page 3 as a response/comparison to Motion Swing

 

It seems likely that comparing swing types is natural since the players intermingle online...

Just wait until there's a THIRD method (controller!)

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[axe360]

In that case, blame literally the 2nd post in the thread (which is the first mention of Motion Swing) and the cheating angle only came along on Page 3 as a response/comparison to Motion Swing

 

It seems likely that comparing swing types is natural since the players intermingle online...

Just wait until there's a THIRD method (controller!)

 

All they had to do was start a New Topic about MS,, or Cheating, or whatever they want to talk about.. Someone starts a topic about 3 click, let's talk about 3 click, not MS, not Cheating, not what my Grandmother is doing right now, not that I'm going to an Angels Ball game this Wednesday.    I know from time to time threads go a little a stray but this is killing me..

 

Oh, I'm officially done here and this thread is officially "Burnt Up" !!!!!!!!!!!!

[tlvx]

There are many reasons why something can be Easy, or Difficult. In a perfect world, there wouldn't need to be any consideration for exploits, for everyone would play by the intended difficulty.

 

Alas, this is pc gaming, where just about anything goes, regardless of whether we are personally aware of it, or not.

 

Just because some of those reasons aren't explicitly laid out in layman's terms, doesn't mean they don't exist, in point of fact, as reasons why 3-Click may be easier than it could or should be.

 

Saying that the potential for Cheating shouldn't matter in a discussion about the difficulty of a particular game discipline, is like telling a women's association that Cheating shouldn't matter in a discussion about divorce.

[axe360]

There are many reasons why something can be Easy, or Difficult. In a perfect world, there wouldn't need to be any consideration for exploits, for everyone would play by the intended difficulty.

 

Alas, this is pc gaming, where just about anything goes, regardless of whether we are personally aware of it, or not.

 

Just because some of those reasons aren't explicitly laid out in layman's terms, doesn't mean they don't exist, in point of fact, as reasons why 3-Click may be easier than it could or should be.

 

Saying that the potential for Cheating shouldn't matter in a discussion about the difficulty of a particular game discipline, is like telling a women's association that Cheating shouldn't matter in a discussion about divorce.

 

I never, ever said that! Cheating doesnt matter, IF ITS HAPPENING!!! But this isn't a topic about Cheating!!!!

Look, I'm just trying to keep things on topic.. You are more then welcome to start a new one, this only confuses the subject of this thread. IMO.. 

 

Also, if you know for a fact or have some proof of someone cheating Please report it. There is no room for Cheaters in this game...

 

Thank you for your co-operation.

 

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[✠ davef ✠]

where in the hell is the ignore button,must be da ja vu or something but i remember reading a lot of this same stuff

from one of these posters on the forums at TWO at one time. but it did not go on for to long before he wore out his welcome

and was removed.lol  i know this post will not make it very long but the one i want to see it will.  we remember.lol

[Buck]

where in the hell is the ignore button

 

Top Right - Next to the Sign Out link, click on your username and on the right hand column you can "manage ignore prefs".

 

Combined with a custom CSS file to not even show the hidden ignore DIVs it works wonders for "forum enjoyment level" 

[tlvx]

I never, ever said that! Cheating doesnt matter, IF ITS HAPPENING!!! But this isn't a topic about Cheating!!!!

Look, I'm just trying to keep things on topic.. You are more then welcome to start a new one, this only confuses the subject of this thread. IMO.. 

 

Also, if you know for a fact or have some proof of someone cheating Please report it. There is no room for Cheaters in this game...

 

Thank you for your co-operation.

 

 

A topic about the difficulty of a game discipline, is not always so black and white, as you would seem to have it.

 

If you don't want to discuss the grey area; or, don't feel like you have anything to contribute to why vulnerabilities may have an effect on difficulty... than don't.

 

But, don't pretend that - just because you aren't directly aware of something - that, it wouldn't have a potential huge impact on the perception of difficulty, for those that are aware of such realities.

 

You want to have a discussion in a vacuum, and the world just doesn't work that way. There's no forum rule that says we are not to discuss unintended consequences. In this case, the unintended consequence of the developers creating a certain cheat-protection for a single swing type, and not both, just so happens to create an imbalance in difficulty, when all possible eventual realities are considered.

 

Unless and until all loopholes are closed off for the 3-Click swing as well, (at least as much as is practicable) than, the ongoing vulnerabilities are quite relevant, regardless of their indirect impact on the difficulty.

 

The potential, in and of itself, is certainly enough to include it in a discussion on difficulty.

[Richard]

tlvx, you keep saying things that imply that there is no 'cheat protection for 3C but that there is for MS, i.e. the 3 second requirement. How do you know that there is no protection for 3C? How does one determine if someone is cheating? Maybe I didn't state it very clearly in my posts earlier but that's really what I'm driving at, Detection.

[tlvx]

tlvx, you keep saying things that imply that there is no 'cheat protection for 3C but that there is for MS, i.e. the 3 second requirement. How do you know that there is no protection for 3C? How does one determine if someone is cheating? Maybe I didn't state it very clearly in my posts earlier but that's really what I'm driving at, Detection.

 

The developers have been pretty candid about what's there and what is not. It's called process of elimination.

 

The Motion Swing was designed from the ground up, so that having a good axis, in and of itself, doesn't make the shot true. It also has a timer, to protect the tempo. This is all well and good. The developer's did their level best to protect the integrity of the Motion Swing.

 

Naturally, different swings require different integrity-protections.

 

But, in light of the release notes, and the developer's own statements on the matter... it was quite obvious that the 3-Click Swing is almost completely vulnerable to exploits, compared to the Motion Swing.

 

It becomes relevant when 3-Click and Motion Swing play against each other in Matches.

 

If you feel you need more details than that, query the developers directly.

[Richard]

The developers have been pretty candid about what's there and what is not. It's called process of elimination.

 

The Motion Swing was designed from the ground up, so that having a good axis, in and of itself, doesn't make the shot true. It also has a timer, to protect the tempo. This is all well and good. The developer's did their level best to protect the integrity of the Motion Swing.

 

Naturally, different swings require different integrity-protections.

 

But, in light of the release notes, and the developer's own statements on the matter... it was quite obvious that the 3-Click Swing is almost completely vulnerable to exploits, compared to the Motion Swing.

 

It becomes relevant when 3-Click and Motion Swing play against each other in Matches.

 

If you feel you need more details than that, query the developers directly.

 

I surely don't recall any developer's statements 'on the matter'. Since you indicate that they have, could you provide the link(s) rather than me bothering them to repeat something that they supposedly have already said. I'd rather they spend their time working the game and courses rather than have them repeat their previous pronouncements.

[tlvx]

I'm not techie enough to know what measures are available nor do I feel qualified to talk about how they could be implemented.

 

Discussing specific subjects to users that are abreast of the relevancies being discussed - is good enough for me.

 

If you have something to add to the topic at hand... then add it.

 

But, let's not query other users as if they are obliged to respond.

[Richard]

Discussing specific subjects to users that are abreast of the relevancies being discussed - is good enough for me.

 

If you have something to add to the topic at hand... then add it.

 

But, let's not query other users as if they are obliged to respond.

 

Oh Ok, I get it now. Making broad sweeping statements as if they are facts is OK. Asking the poster to explain the basis for the statements isn't. Yup, I get it!!

[tlvx]

Oh Ok, I get it now. Making broad sweeping statements as if they are facts is OK. Asking the poster to explain the basis for the statements isn't. Yup, I get it!!

Being openly unaware, does not, in and of itself, entitle one to a free education.

 

I also just had something to eat. Do I have to take a picture of it and post that too, for anyone to comprehend that?

 

If someone objects to someone else's statements, than they are usually able to explain why. -- And, The lack of understanding on the subject, is not a legitimate reason for dissent.

 

A discussion doesn't get dictated by an uninformed counter-party. The onus is on the uninformed counter-party to do their own research, if their intention is to prove or disprove any of the elements contained within the discussion at hand.

 

I'd be happy enough if everyone had something to offer to a subject, of their own volition.

 

It's good enough for me, in this case, that the developer has already weighed in regarding their knowledge of the situation, going forward.

[Richard]

Being openly unaware, does not, in and of itself, entitle one to a free education.

 

I also just had something to eat. Do I have to take a picture of it and post that too, for anyone to comprehend that?

 

If someone objects to someone else's statements, than they are usually able to explain why. -- And, The lack of understanding on the subject, is not a legitimate reason for dissent.

 

A discussion doesn't get dictated by an uninformed counter-party. The onus is on the uninformed counter-party to do their own research, if their intention is to prove or disprove any of the elements contained within the discussion at hand.

 

I'd be happy enough if everyone had something to offer to a subject, of their own volition.

 

It's good enough for me, in this case, that the developer has already weighed in regarding their knowledge of the situation, going forward.

 

I've haven't objected to your statements. Just trying to understand what the 'hell' you're talking about.

 

I've not tried to 'prove' or 'disprove' you statement. Sorry that you feel that educating others to understand you position is not warranted or necessary on you part.

 

Sure would be nice if your shared those, "the developer has already weighed in regarding their knowledge of the situation.'

 

Since you are not going to share any source information, I'll leave this conversation here and good luck to you.

[shimonko]

It wouldn't be a simulation if players couldn't cheat in a golf game.