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[Greensboronclion]

 

At least the powers on the leaderboards have shifted.

 

Bortimus is an outlier and probably the best player of the game - he has won one tournament at OGT after the implementation of the RTS and after the changes in penalty for the mouse swingers (kudos!!! - great achievement). All other tourneys have been won by 3-clickers.

 

Guys like Justin or SJude aren't even playing on the Tour Pro Tour any more cause RTS-M is just a different animal in difficulty. No swing meter or visual presentation of the mouse pointer (swing path) is a huge disadvantage compared to MS or 3-click.

 

The long game is really hard now .....  and the short game (pitching, chipping, flopping and putting) is still way too easy as the stats of the tourneys show. The balance in difficulty just doesn't seem right. Although i have to say, that short shots (without the putting) have become significantly harder with RTS-M as well. It's very difficult to see and to gauge the difference between a 95 % swing and a 103 % swing when swinging - but it makes a big difference in the shot result.

 

But i like the changes cause the scores for the swingers generally have come down to more realistic numbers. You won't see many - 40s for swingers anymore. Still would love to see changes to the short game. It is still too easy to make up and downs around the greens.

 

 

When I first started this thread I was starting to play 3C and yes it is harder to hit the long shots but the truth is that RTS-M and RTS-C have no chance in any events that are loaded with 3C and MS players so for me I will probably play most of my OGT golf in the RTS only events and move on.  I hate that but we just cant compete with them and why kick a dead horse and just stick with our group.  The bad part is I like the PGA Pro tour and could compete if I went back to MS or even 3C but that is not as much fun as the RTS so it sucks but it is what it is.  I will probably Tee it up in the others for something to play but scores don't lie and it is a leaderboard littered with the other guys.  One more thing and with the controller you can play with stimps up to 12 and barely with 13 but if you get up to 14 forget it as its next to impossible to stop the ball on those slick hillside holes with the putter.  Really now looking for a career mode to get into as the tourney aspect has lost its luster for me other than the RTS only events.

[frank70]

When I first started this thread I was starting to play 3C and yes it is harder to hit the long shots but the truth is that RTS-M and RTS-C have no chance in any events that are loaded with 3C and MS players so for me I will probably play most of my OGT golf in the RTS only events and move on.  I hate that but we just cant compete with them and why kick a dead horse and just stick with our group.  The bad part is I like the PGA Pro tour and could compete if I went back to MS or even 3C but that is not as much fun as the RTS so it sucks but it is what it is.  I will probably Tee it up in the others for something to play but scores don't lie and it is a leaderboard littered with the other guys.  One more thing and with the controller you can play with stimps up to 12 and barely with 13 but if you get up to 14 forget it as its next to impossible to stop the ball on those slick hillside holes with the putter.  Really now looking for a career mode to get into as the tourney aspect has lost its luster for me other than the RTS only events.

Balance isn't right - but i suppose it is really tough for the devs to balance that out. I can compete at Tour Pro using RTS-M, although i don't have a real chance to win. No problem, i like the challenge. I find the gap in difficulty between Pro and Tour Pro rather big. So i stay with Tour Pro.

 

By the way: Hitting long shots seems to be pretty easy with the RTS-C (if you have the right controller i suppose). In the current tournament the average FIR is 53 % (i have 7hit around 40%). The four RTS-C-players in the field hit 67, 68, 75 and ..... 91%!!

 

No matter what. The fields are close in Tour Pro. Before the patch and the introduction of RTS-M and RTS-C the top MS-players had an advantage .....  now the to 3-click players seems to be slightly favoured.

 

......  with the exception of BORTIMUS!!! I just have to pull my hat!! He played the back nine of the last round -9 and leads the field again. Great accomplishment!! 

[Greensboronclion]

The long game is easier with RTSC but the short game is much tougher but getting there. I would say the long game is harder with the mouse but putting is much easier so they pretty much balance out IMO.

[Sliceapottomus]

rts c is the easiest way to play the game at the moment. once you find the right angle to view your player and put a bit of practice on distances, the rtsc will own the leader boards. putting is the same on rts-c and rts m right now...no difference if your game sensitivites are correct...

[Greensboronclion]

rts c is the easiest way to play the game at the moment. once you find the right angle to view your player and put a bit of practice on distances, the rtsc will own the leader boards. putting is the same on rts-c and rts m right now...no difference if your game sensitivites are correct...

I agree with the ball striking but not the putting and for the record I think changing the angle of the camera to get a better judgement of the length of the backswing for putting should be banned and I myself don't use it. Just my two cents but to me it makes it to easy to putt. One other note is that the person that can hit the snap most of the time at 3C will dominate because the short game is very easy at 3C and there are players that can hit that mark all day long. To me the hardest way to play is RTS-M and it's not even close.

[Ted_Ball]

Well, I tried with the controller but I'm sticking with RTS-M. Admittedly I didn't persevere with the controller for long. I found it a bit fiddly (a technical term) and it would be too much of a backward step to go to another method. 

 

I suppose we should say at which level we play. I'm getting to a point where I'm happy with my play at Pro. Tour Pro is another matter but I'm hoping my competence at Pro transfers to TP. 

 

The point I'm making is that each player will choose the method that works for them - that makes it easier for them. As you can see I'm not convinced that RTS-C is easier RTS-M. I'm wondering if there's even any point in trying to get parity among the various swing methods.

 

We sometimes forget, also, that every player has probably not reached their potential ability at whatever method they use which makes all these debates less than objective.

[tlvx]

We sometimes forget, also, that every player has probably not reached their potential ability at whatever method they use which makes all these debates less than objective.

I think this last point is critical.

RTS has only been around for a short time, compared to the other swing types.

Everything takes time to learn, and then refine.

Some users have several hundreds - into the thousands - of hours of experience on the former swing methods.

It doesn't make sense to try to predict which swings will take precedence, with such limited sample sizes.

However, the idea that some users already find the Controller swing more straightforward than all of the rest, despite its recent inception... is a bit ominous for the long standing swing types. It seems like; learning putting touch is the only thing to overcome for the Controller swing to start dominating the field.

But, who knows. There have been tweaks to each of the swing types. Why would we expect anything less, with the new swing methods, ongoing?

[DivotMaker]

I may be relatively new to RTS-C and PG in general due to finally getting my PC upgraded last month, but I find RTS-C to be very challenging off the tee and tee to green. Lucky to hit more than 50% FIR and 60% GIR, but I am putting pretty well and my short game is decent. Wish I could find overall stats since I started playing......IOW, lets not jump to conclusions about the ease or lack thereof of RTS-C please.

[tlvx]

I may be relatively new to RTS-C and PG in general due to finally getting my PC upgraded last month, but I find RTS-C to be very challenging off the tee and tee to green. Lucky to hit more than 50% FIR and 60% GIR, but I am putting pretty well and my short game is decent. Wish I could find overall stats since I started playing......IOW, lets not jump to conclusions about the ease or lack thereof of RTS-C please.

 

Increased accuracy is one of the oft reported benefits of the Controller swing. If you can't keep the ball in play with a Controller, you may need to get a new controller, if your current one is worn down.

[mebby]

Increased accuracy is one of the oft reported benefits of the Controller swing. If you can't keep the ball in play with a Controller, you may need to get a new controller, if your current one is worn down.

Have you used RTSC?

[tlvx]

You're clearly afraid to answer my question.  I've asked it multiple times and you refuse to even acknowledge it.  I've made my point.  I'm done here.

 

I'm not anything that you think I am. But, if you imagined that I was somehow incompetent at any of the swing methods, you have another thing coming.

 

Talk about the topic. Stop trying to make everything personal; because it can only make you look foolish.

 

Trying to make points by making personal attacks on the proficiency of others doesn't work. You should know that by now.

[bortimus]

Just because a few guys haven't figured it out, doesn't take away all the reports that the ease of use in the Controller swing is significant.

 

I get it. Now, the idea is to backtrack, claim that it's hard in certain areas... so that the developers don't think the swing is, "too easy."

 

Nevertheless, the cat's already out of the bag.

 

Plus, it's pretty obvious, when seeing perennial hacks turn into golf machines, in front of our eyes.

 

If you don't have success with the Controller swing... get a new Controller. There are topics in this forum that might aid you with that.

This would be a perfect opportunity to showcase yourself as a public test subject.  

 

Get a few controllers (especially the ones that are reputed to be easiest to hit)  

 

Enter the weekly RTS and Tour Pro tournaments at OGT over the next month or so.  Play with these various controllers.  Your stats will be available for all to see and you can report back which controllers you used for whichever rounds.  

 

Remember, you are suggesting that players will see instant results in regards to accuracy with certain controllers.

 

If you are right, you have provided useful information for the rest of us.  

 

If you are wrong, you have provided useful information for the rest of us   

 

PM me if you need help funding your research.  

[tlvx]

This would be a perfect opportunity to showcase yourself as a public test subject.  

 

Get a few controllers (especially the ones that are reputed to be easiest to hit)  

 

Enter the weekly RTS and Tour Pro tournaments at OGT over the next month or so.  Play with these various controllers.  Your stats will be available for all to see and you can report back which controllers you used for whichever rounds.  

 

Remember, you are suggesting that players will see instant results in regards to accuracy with certain controllers.

 

If you are right, you have provided useful information for the rest of us.  

 

If you are wrong, you have provided useful information for the rest of us   

 

PM me if you need help funding your research.  

 

Very funny. If you want a game, I'll give you a game. But, don't say you weren't warned.

[bortimus]

Very funny. If you want a game, I'll give you a game. But, don't say you weren't warned.

Okay... wasn't my point at all.  But we can play a game sometime... whatever that would prove.  I like golf.  

 

I'm talking about providing publicly available statistics to support your assertion.  

[tlvx]

Okay... wasn't my point at all.  But we can play a game sometime... whatever that would prove.  I like golf.  

 

I'm talking about providing publicly available statistics to support your assertion.  

 

That's just the point. It's not my assertion. Anyone can read the countless reports of users having success with the Controller swing.

 

Does that mean that it will work for everyone? -- Why would anyone assume that?

 

Everyone is not good at the game, regardless of swing type. That's not relevant to the discussion.

[DivotMaker]

Increased accuracy is one of the oft reported benefits of the Controller swing. If you can't keep the ball in play with a Controller, you may need to get a new controller, if your current one is worn down.

LOL, more righteous innuendo and misinformation. I am using a 5 month old Xbox Elite controller and this is not the issue. The controller is fine, but the swing does offer variances for mis-hit swings. A worn out controller CAN be an issue, but it is not in 99% of the time.

[bortimus]

That's just the point. It's not my assertion. Anyone can read the countless reports of users having success with the Controller swing.

 

Does that mean that it will work for everyone? -- Why would anyone assume that?

 

Everyone is not good at the game, regardless of swing type. That's not relevant to the discussion.

Of course everyone has their knack, whether it's 3 Click, MS, RTS-M or RTS-C.

 

But you said you are seeing "perennial hacks turn into golfing machines in front of our eyes" 

 

In the context of this discussion, you are saying people who aren't good at the game using the controller are suddenly becoming good because of the controller they are using.  

[tlvx]

Of course everyone has their knack, whether it's 3 Click, MS, RTS-M or RTS-C.

 

But you said you are seeing "perennial hacks turn into golfing machines in front of our eyes" 

 

In the context of this thread, you are saying people who aren't good at the game using the controller are suddenly becoming good because of the controller they are using.

 

Precisely. I've seen guys that are terrible on 3-Click, doing much better on the Controller swing.

 

It jibes with the user reports of the ease of use of the Controller swing.

 

The only knock on the Controller swing seems to be short game touch.

 

We can keep refuting what other people have stated, or we can move on.

[bortimus]

Precisely. I've seen guys that are terrible on 3-Click, doing much better on the Controller swing.

 

It jibes with the user reports of the ease of use of the Controller swing.

 

The only knock on the Controller swing seems to be short game touch.

 

We can keep refuting what other people have stated, or we can move on.

 

Just a note: I was changing my post to say "discussion" rather than thread since we are in a 3 click thread but the discussion was heading towards the controller swing.  

 

And so what if some people are individually better at the controller than on 3 click?  Is that a bad thing?  

 

 

 

 

 

 

[tlvx]

Just a note: I was changing my post to say "discussion" rather than thread since we are in a 3 click thread but the discussion was heading towards the controller swing.  

 

And so what if some people are individually better at the controller than on 3 click?  Is that a bad thing?  

 

It's a potential game imbalance.