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[in2minds]

Buck, on 11 Dec 2016 - 4:03 PM, said:

What's the difference between a "lucky put" as you put it or a "lucky wind gust"?

That's an easy answer, because 2 people can have the same putt from the same spot on the green BUT one could go left and the other right, with wind gusts if its gusting left i expect it to go left not right.

[IanK]

in2minds, on 11 Dec 2016 - 4:11 PM, said:

That's an easy answer, because 2 people can have the same put from the same spot on the green BUT one could go left and the other right, with wind gusts if its gusting left i expect it to go left not right.

Just for your information it's 'PUTT'. If you're going to complain about something at least spell it correctly.

[in2minds]

IanK, on 11 Dec 2016 - 4:15 PM, said:

Just for your information it's 'PUTT'. If you're going to complain about something at least spell it correctly.

Thank you for pointing that out before i post next time i will PM you so you can check it for me.

[Buck]

in2minds, on 11 Dec 2016 - 4:11 PM, said:

That's an easy answer, because 2 people can have the same putt from the same spot on the green BUT one could go left and the other right, with wind gusts if its gusting left i expect it to go left not right.

Not true at all.

You could have wind gusting nearly straight at or behind players and one might go left vs right. Or one might go a little vs a lot.

That's the entire point.

You're honestly making no sense.

You don't care for the chance element that does exist in the real sport, so...
Just don't use the realistic putting mode and move on.

[footslogger]

Perhaps it's time we stopped feeding the troll.  If he's not a troll he must be very, very thick since everything has already been explained to him in the clearest possible language over and over again.

[StoneComet]

in2minds, on 11 Dec 2016 - 12:34 PM, said:

Ask it again, i cant see it?

 

 

Mike Jones, on 11 Dec 2016 - 10:02 AM, said:

On the contrary we ask you everytime you create a game. I'm not sure what your point is TBH. You might as well be arguing for every option, swing type and camera angle you don't use to be removed from the game because you don't like it.

 

You like to play on 'perfect' greens (that's why it's still there as an option) and I can completely understand that but you seem to be lobbying for an option you don't like to be removed just because you don't like it?

 

Hi,

 

Sometimes a statement can be made into a question with inflection or in this case with a question mark. The way I read the question is: do you believe or are self aware enough to know that you seem to be lobbying for the removal of something you do not like when it is optional and you are not forced to play that way? I mean, for heaven's sake, get a special interest group together and lobby Congress for the removal of realistic and bumpy greens from JNPG. Make it into a law or something.

 

Further on there are some ramblings about bugs tunneling, a blade of grass turning. No, the game does not actually have those in there. Yes, it is a bit of randomized code. We know this. The way the code is implemented emulates real world experience. I have yet to see a putt go drastically off line even when using other players reads. It's just not that drastic. Yes, you will have to have a bit of luck to win tournaments. Real world golfers accept that fact. Your skill level, however, will still be a big factor as higher skill levels will still give the ball the best CHANCE of going in. That is why tournaments are usually more than one round. In the professional world they are four rounds. Because by doing that the luck factor has less and less of an effect and skill will rise to the top.

 

How will I improve my putting skill on realistic greens in JNPG? By practicing my reading of lines and working on striking the ball evenly and with the correct pace. This skill will give my ball the best CHANCE of going in. Here, I'll give you a counter argument that goes along with what I perceive to be your style of argumentation. Why don't you just pick up the ball and drop it in the hole when playing. You will have to master the skill of picking the ball up, walking across the fairway (take a cart if you wish) and have the ability to find the correct hole, remove the flag and place the ball in the cup. But be careful. You may trip on something or a meteor may come down on your head. It is a video game though so we should just be able to press a key and boom the ball is in the hole. No tripping and no meteors in this game. That is just too random.

 

Now that is a little over the top but that is what your argument feels like to me. At any rate you did a great job of creating a firestorm over nothing really. I think most people call that trolling. Well done. I imagine your forum presence has been blocked by some by now. I think there will be well over 5 people using the setting and if that is really the case. That 5 people only will be using it why are you so intimidated by it. Because your not. Your just creating a #%*@storm for your own entertainment. So, as Mike said, without further ado, I bow out but not quite so gracefully.

 

Regardless of what you are reading here I encourage any onlookers to try the game. It is a really good game and you would be doing yourself a disservice if you did not form your own opinion on the matter.

 

SC   

[in2minds]

Buck, on 11 Dec 2016 - 4:24 PM, said:

Not true at all.
You could have wind gusting nearly straight at players and one might go left vs right.

You're honestly making no sense.

Just don't use the realistic putting mode and move on.

I want to use it because it's a harder level of play, i like to play games at the hardest settings, i look at it as a learning curve, but as i see it you cant get any better at something if it's a random outcome.

i thought we would all agree that randomness has no part in a golf game guess i was wrong, so if some people like this random update great, lets take it to the next level, random driving, take the foot lie indicator away in "realistic" take the green grids away in "realistic" mode take the wind indicator away too take ALL the aids away in "realistic" set it as a default in the "realistic" mode.

[Buck]

in2minds, on 11 Dec 2016 - 4:37 PM, said:

I want to use it because it's a harder level of play..

... if some people like this random update great,

 

The realistic green setting isn't tied to any difficulty level so you can still play Tour Pro and use billiard table polished granite smooth greens.

Don't use the realistic greens setting.
Problem solved.

[Dazmaniac]

I guess you don't play real golf. 

 

The randomness of the bounce of the ball is always factor. You only have to look and see how the hall can bounce from a pitch or chip shot,despite all the pre planning a player may do. Even on the greens when putting,  two balls rolling over the same ground can react differently. You just don't seem to acknowledge this. 

 

What's with all this random driver bollocks? The realistic green setting doesn't affect the strike of the ball with the putter, which is in the control of the player, it is simulating the roll of the ball which is out of the control of the player. It seems you are wanting to create some spurious anomaly during the playing of the shot with the driver to give a random outcome. 

 

Realistic greens setting does not stop you from hitting a putt with the correct snap. So why want to make the driver swing a random event? 

[Buck]

@in2minds:

If you want even smoother and more consistent greens with no subtle variations whatsoever...
...think "perfectly smooth low pile carpet"...

Here's your spot:

www.thegolfclubgame.com

[in2minds]

StoneComet, on 11 Dec 2016 - 4:33 PM, said:

Hi,

 

Sometimes a statement can be made into a question with inflection or in this case with a question mark. The way I read the question is: do you believe or are self aware enough to know that you seem to be lobbying for the removal of something you do not like when it is optional and you are not forced to play that way? I mean, for heaven's sake, get a special interest group together and lobby Congress for the removal of realistic and bumpy greens from JNPG. Make it into a law or something.

 

Further on there are some ramblings about bugs tunneling, a blade of grass turning. No, the game does not actually have those in there. Yes, it is a bit of randomized code. We know this. The way the code is implemented emulates real world experience. I have yet to see a putt go drastically off line even when using other players reads. It's just not that drastic. Yes, you will have to have a bit of luck to win tournaments. Real world golfers accept that fact. Your skill level, however, will still be a big factor as higher skill levels will still give the ball the best CHANCE of going in. That is why tournaments are usually more than one round. In the professional world they are four rounds. Because by doing that the luck factor has less and less of an effect and skill will rise to the top.

 

How will I improve my putting skill on realistic greens in JNPG? By practicing my reading of lines and working on striking the ball evenly and with the correct pace. This skill will give my ball the best CHANCE of going in. Here, I'll give you a counter argument that goes along with what I perceive to be your style of argumentation. Why don't you just pick up the ball and drop it in the hole when playing. You will have to master the skill of picking the ball up, walking across the fairway (take a cart if you wish) and have the ability to find the correct hole, remove the flag and place the ball in the cup. But be careful. You may trip on something or a meteor may come down on your head. It is a video game though so we should just be able to press a key and boom the ball is in the hole. No tripping and no meteors in this game. That is just too random.

 

Now that is a little over the top but that is what your argument feels like to me. At any rate you did a great job of creating a firestorm over nothing really. I think most people call that trolling. Well done. I imagine your forum presence has been blocked by some by now. I think there will be well over 5 people using the setting and if that is really the case. That 5 people only will be using it why are you so intimidated by it. Because your not. Your just creating a #%*@storm for your own entertainment. So, as Mike said, without further ado, I bow out but not quite so gracefully.

 

Regardless of what you are reading here I encourage any onlookers to try the game. It is a really good game and you would be doing yourself a disservice if you did not form your own opinion on the matter.

 

SC   

Thats funny man coming from you, you have one of the most unique take on the RTS-C  i have ever read/watched/listen to on YouTube.

[in2minds]

Buck, on 11 Dec 2016 - 4:46 PM, said:

@in2minds:

If you want even smoother and more consistent greens with no subtle variations whatsoever...
...think "perfectly smooth low pile carpet"...

Here's your spot:

www.thegolfclubgame.com

i hate that game way too easy, and looks and plays like sh*t.

[Buck]

in2minds, on 11 Dec 2016 - 4:56 PM, said:

i hate that game way too easy...

Hey!
We agree on something!

Good spot to end...

[IanK]

in2minds, on 11 Dec 2016 - 4:21 PM, said:

Thank you for pointing that out before i post next time i will PM you so you can check it for me.

Please do, I'm always happy to help those who need assistance.

[in2minds]

Look i have a small problem with the "realistic" green settings i'm sure ill get over it, this is the best golf game i have ever played.

[SirGrassCutter]

Armand, on 10 Dec 2016 - 10:19 PM, said:

And the relevance is what?  This isn't a race sim, nor did I make the suggestion for steering a car in a game.  The suggestion was an attempt to reflect the real swing in that it's likely the club face isn't always pointed exactly the player thinks it is (i.e., perfectly to the aiming pole).

 

If my preferences were all implemented in the game, I think perhaps only Ted Ball and maybe SC and I might play the game.  So, I doubt anyone has to worry that they will implemented.  But, if I don't voice my preferences/suggestions, there is absolutely ZERO chance of them being implemented.  I fully admit the the suggestion is 'out there' for many/most.   Everyone has the same opportunity in the forums to make suggestions, regardless of how 'out there' that others may find them.  And it's fine to refute and discuss them.  Nonetheless, I fail to see how my suggestion was 'stupid' for aiming in a golf game, but I accept that some will feel that way.  I guess I'd prefer to hear some actual arguments against the suggestion, rather than referencing non-relevant subjects.

 

For the record, I also understand not being able to play the game at the preferred/custom difficulty levels; I played off/off (Custom) and that is no longer.  I also liked the tempo while putting at RTSH - it's also been removed.  The game seems a tad easier than I'd prefer at the moment, but it's still a great game and one that I continue to make suggestions and post my observations about it, even if it no longer has the difficulty and features I thought were great.

 

I will continue to post too.

[SirGrassCutter]

DivotMaker, on 10 Dec 2016 - 10:19 PM, said:

I replied to this earlier and I really don't owe you any further explanation. And your confrontational manner is very evident, yet you are the only one failing to see this. I can assure you that you are not going to get the Devs attention when your posts come off as they do.

As stated above, this "issue" you are making a mountain out of, I am through wasting my time trying to reason with you.

Take Care.

 

Just because the issue is not a mountain to you does not mean it is not a big deal to others.  No worries as I never expected a rebuttal from  you as there is none.

[SirGrassCutter]

Buck, on 10 Dec 2016 - 10:16 PM, said:

You're simply too argumentative for me to enjoy conversations with you, I'm sorry.

Hope you find a difficulty level that works for you.

Cheers



Re: diplomacy:

the art of dealing with people in a sensitive and effective way.

"his genius for tact and diplomacy"

synonyms: tact, tactfulness, sensitivity, discretion, subtlety, finesse, delicacy, savoir faire, politeness, thoughtfulness, care, judiciousness, prudence

 

I said the REAL definition of diplomacy.  Not the leaning left's definition.  

[SirGrassCutter]

Armand, on 10 Dec 2016 - 10:19 PM, said:

And the relevance is what?  This isn't a race sim, nor did I make the suggestion for steering a car in a game.  The suggestion was an attempt to reflect the real swing in that it's likely the club face isn't always pointed exactly the player thinks it is (i.e., perfectly to the aiming pole).

 

If my preferences were all implemented in the game, I think perhaps only Ted Ball and maybe SC and I might play the game.  So, I doubt anyone has to worry that they will implemented.  But, if I don't voice my preferences/suggestions, there is absolutely ZERO chance of them being implemented.  I fully admit the the suggestion is 'out there' for many/most.   Everyone has the same opportunity in the forums to make suggestions, regardless of how 'out there' that others may find them.  And it's fine to refute and discuss them.  Nonetheless, I fail to see how my suggestion was 'stupid' for aiming in a golf game, but I accept that some will feel that way.  I guess I'd prefer to hear some actual arguments against the suggestion, rather than referencing non-relevant subjects.

 

For the record, I also understand not being able to play the game at the preferred/custom difficulty levels; I played off/off (Custom) and that is no longer.  I also liked the tempo while putting at RTSH - it's also been removed.  The game seems a tad easier than I'd prefer at the moment, but it's still a great game and one that I continue to make suggestions and post my observations about it, even if it no longer has the difficulty and features I thought were great.

 

My comparison to racing was bang on.  You want something put in the game that is beyond the players control.  If you cannot see the exact comparison is bang on, well...sigh.

[SirGrassCutter]

Acrilix, on 10 Dec 2016 - 10:29 PM, said:

               

 

Another troll for the block.  The immaturity and flame baiting from some never ends.  This just proves further that I am right and on the right track if I am ruffling the feathers of those who NEVER can offer a rebuttal and therefore instead have the weak argument that the problem is me.  Well everyone I show these posts to say that I am on point and others are cowering.  This is obvious and therefore I cannot take said cowardice personally.  I simply shake my head at the arrogance in both definitions of the word running rampant in this forum.  Blocked!

 

ps...  This forum is the same as most others.  A select clique of players band together thinking their ganging up on someone in the right will get that person to wimp out like them.  It  won't happen with this man so quit with the silly charade.  I am far stronger willed than that.