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[Crusher]

I use the zoom to see where the ball may end up and aim after I am out of zoom.

 

Not sure I understand what the issue is, but I am not interested in arguing, especially over semantics.

 

Tour Pro is a more challenging mode than any other in this game with a gamepad and/or RTS/M.

 

No argument here, I already made my thoughts perfectly clear.

[Charles]

@ Daz: let me correct myself here: it's not so much the general fact that 'the better' player should automatically get more length. I'm only looking at this from the skills level in JNPG. Irl there are way more variables in the mix why a player gets to the highest level. 'Length' could arguably not even be one of them! But a player playing at TP level in JNPG should be considered a better player then somebody playing amateur level. I don't see how that could be contested? I mean, I tried TP and immediately saw it was a totally different ballgame!   Like Ted wrote: hitting it longer should be earned.

[Acrilix]

It's not so much strength i focus on in making this point, it's more about skill and precision. Moving up into the skills level should mean some extra reward. I know that i.r.l. you have amateurs who hit just as far as pro's. But Irl a top amateur and the pro, playing with exactly the same clubs, DO differ in skill, talent etc etc. In JNPG moving up the skill level, there are more 'obstacles' build in, but in the end, the player does not get much more then 'real feel'. It should be obvious that having/getting more length can be a great stimulant to try to master the higher levels. 

 

I'm not sure why you think that increasing difficulty levels should offer rewards. Difficulty levels are designed to make sure that all players have the right challenge for their ability. You seem to be associating them more with game progression modes, like story modes, career modes etc. which are an entirely different thing and designed to motivate the player to continue playing.

I'm sure a reward based progression system will appeal to some players and I have no issue with one being included in JNPG but I don't think that offering rewards for choice of higher difficulty levels is the correct way to achieve it.

[Crow357]

This is something they did in the Tiger Woods games.  Everybody did everything they could to get past the stupid part where you could only hit a driver 230.   It was a bad idea then and it's still a bad idea.

[Vernon520]

Do we not already have rewards for skill, and distance with the different ball types?

I would say yes we do!

[Dazmaniac]

On the subject of the game, I wouldn't mind seeing the aiming marker taken out and replaced with something that the old TW games on PC used to have, where you aim by just rotating the player and using an aim arrow on the ground (see below). Makes aligning yourself to a pin 200yds away more of a challenge than just moving a red and white barber pole on to the flag and more or less guaranteeing your aim.

 

 

Maybe have the aiming marker at lower levels but lose it at the higher levels and replace it with something like the above.

 

When I play golf IRL, I don't get the option to place a marker 300yds away to help my aim, I align myself stood over the ball. I'd much prefer to have this replicated in a game using something like the old TW game.

[✠ davef ✠]

man does most have at least 1 train wreck hole per round with TP

[Dazmaniac]

man does most have at least 1 train wreck hole per round with TP

 

When I've used it practising, I have several Dave, lol. I'd be happy if it was just one, lol.

 

 

That said,I get immense satisfaction when I pull off a long iron approach over water and hit the green, lol.

[Buck]

I wouldn't mind seeing the aiming marker taken out and replaced with something that the old TW games on PC used to have, where you aim by just rotating the player and using an aim arrow on the ground (see below). Makes aligning yourself to a pin 200yds away more of a challenge than just moving a red and white barber pole on to the flag and more or less guaranteeing your aim.

I agree - the aiming, and the BLI, are both too precise and not great analogues to the real world golfing experience.

[DivotMaker]

man does most have at least 1 train wreck hole per round with TP

 

At first, yes and even after becoming familiar with the swing and interface it is not uncommon to have a hole bite you in the >>>>>>

[✠ davef ✠]

yea it is a new game playing TP i seem to be getting into a lot of places

you can only find with a missed drive.lol

but all in all i seem to be able to keep it on the even side so far but then again with all i have played at lower levels

not surprised. to be honest they could do away aiming in the overhead and it would be a big plus at all levels for comps

[frank70]

I agree - the aiming, and the BLI, are both too precise and not great analogues to the real world golfing experience.

Maybe the new turf effects could lead to a way to read the greens better without the grid or the bli. If PP is able to show the rough grass as i have seen in the screenshots, it should be possible to show the grass on the greens equally realistic. Maybe not in the main view but in a special putting view. There you make the read and the aim. Then you go back to the main screen and execute the shot. Possible with the turf effects?

[Drgnslyr221]

Define train wreck hole.

[Ted_Ball]

This is something they did in the Tiger Woods games.  Everybody did everything they could to get past the stupid part where you could only hit a driver 230.   It was a bad idea then and it's still a bad idea.

 

I understand that. But there is a big difference between 275 yards and, say, 310 yards. The increments of increased distance between those yardages should be small e.g. in the inches. 

 

I still maintain that grinding gets players and holds them and they play more. I thought big traffic meant added value. (A good way to attract players to tournaments - faster grind as prizes.)

[Ted_Ball]

Hey frank...

 

How about trying a match against one of our recordings at Royal Melbourne and see how the scores compare to real life. Drop your recording in there later. 

 

It's got biggish fairways but amazing green complexes. It must be the design that makes it tough. Tough but fair.

[Acrilix]

 Tiger Woods games offered stats for play as rewards, including longer drives, but they simply watered down the skill needed over time. Instead of increasing the challenge once you had played for a while these stats did the opposite, making the game easier and easier the more you played until in the end you were hitting 400+ yard drives and the ball was being sucked into the hole, regardless of how good or bad your shot was. This type of progression actually ruined the game for me and I never used to add the stats on to my player once I had a normal drive length. I wanted to at least feel that I was contributing to my success rather than the stats doing it all for me.

[Ted_Ball]

There would have to be a cap.

[Armand]

The boat has probably already sailed on this, but in case not .....

 

I like the idea of aiming only with the arrow keys.  But, most people are used to some type of pole/stick thingy, so how about the range of the pole/stick thingy is limited in the higher levels.  For instance, Beginner and Hacker could perhaps use that to aim at any distance.  Amateur level would limit the range of the pole/stick thingy to 100 yards from the ball, Pro would see a limit of say 25 yards in front of the ball and TourPro would have it limited to 1 yard (or less).

 

The discussion about extra length or benefits from the higher levels reminds me of discussions on naming of the playing levels in early access.  We have to remember that the game level does not describe the ability of the player's skills in the game, but the difficulty (or forgiveness levels) that faces the player in using their chosen control method. 

[Ted_Ball]

I had no trouble aiming in BARE Naked golf. The aiming dot gives you a point to drive at after all. (Frankly I would do away with the aiming dot for Naked golf.) A practice session or two at a venue or simply experience at a course will give you all the info you need. Using the arrow keys is much more relaistic than the pole and if people were serious about a sim experience they would consider that option among others.

 

It doesn't seem right to argue that scoring is too easy if people continue to use grids, BLI (sometimes together) and the various other assists available in Tour Pro at this time.

 

The top level of this game should have as few assists as practically possible while maintaining realism. The song remains the same.

[✠ davef ✠]

well hooked on the TP.

figuring out draws and fades is cool once you do that tight fairways

are not so bad. played a dozen or so rounds most between even and 4 under 3 over par. 

just shot my best round yet on Bandon Dunes with a -7.

i am looking at it like this Pars are the best anything better is the gravy. so im shooting for pars.