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[GoldenBear]

That's fine, but don't speak about it as if your opinion is an educated one, it's not.

 

You're telling someone you don't like chocolate having never tasted chocolate, it carries zero weight.

I have tasted the chocolate with TGC.  One does not need to play TGC v2.0 OR TGC v3.0 to see the light.  The posts about the last 2 games proved what I already knew, was that TGC is not concerned with a serious sim.  So basically your post to me was a fallacy. 

[Tigers Agent]

 

And you say something like this - with somewhat of a smug, laughing at him, feel to it.

yet you make no comment on whiney teds sarcastic, gloom n doom remarks?   I laughed at those stupid words also. 

I'll take the few words of a developer over a tantrum laced crying machine.

[DoGgs]

Well my source for TGC 2019 is none other than jimgem, he knows what he's talking about when it comes to TGC,  plays a great game and i trust his opinions 100% he has no dog in any fight, he enjoys TGC but career mode on hard is too easy and on very hard its all artificial with high winds, concrete greens and bullet proof A.I.  certainly not what i'm looking for...needs patching for spin too.

[Buck]

...needs patching for spin too.

 

Should be priority #1 (I would hope..)

[✠ davef ✠]

 

very becoming, never would have figured you to be in the brotherhood of beards. lol

[Tigers Agent]

thanks for the laugh..

[adx321]

I have tasted the chocolate with TGC.  One does not need to play TGC v2.0 OR TGC v3.0 to see the light.  The posts about the last 2 games proved what I already knew, was that TGC is not concerned with a serious sim.  So basically your post to me was a fallacy. 

 

None of these games is a serious sim, those of you who think having a piece of plastic in your hand simulates golf, are fooling yourselves.

 

I have a serious sim in my basement, it involves hitting golf balls with a launch monitor.

 

Anything not that is a game.

[adx321]

Well my source for TGC 2019 is none other than jimgem, he knows what he's talking about when it comes to TGC,  plays a great game and i trust his opinions 100% he has no dog in any fight, he enjoys TGC but career mode on hard is too easy and on very hard its all artificial with high winds, concrete greens and bullet proof A.I.  certainly not what i'm looking for...needs patching for spin too.

 

career mode?  who cares about career mode lol

[GoldenBear]

None of these games is a serious sim, those of you who think having a piece of plastic in your hand simulates golf, are fooling yourselves.

 

I have a serious sim in my basement, it involves hitting golf balls with a launch monitor.

 

Anything not that is a game.

I say that all the time and therefore agree with you.  But playing "with plastic" this game is more sim than any TGC product is.

[adx321]

I say that all the time and therefore agree with you.  But playing "with plastic" this game is more sim than any TGC product is.

 

saying this game is more sim is like winning the swimsuit competition at fat camp

 

so what, neither of them is "sim", they're video games

[Mike Jones]

saying this game is more sim is like winning the swimsuit competition at fat camp

 

so what, neither of them is "sim", they're video games

I did a lengthy post in this thread about the differences between a sim based experience and an game based experience.

 

You are correct in that nothing that takes place on a PC/console with a wheel or a joystick or mouse or gamepad input is a true sim. With golf games you have a system/control method to create a set of ball launch conditions, after that the goal should be to make it behave as much as possible like a real ball.  It's almost impossible to do that as the physics is majorly complicated with a bunch of 'corner cases' where the physics sometimes breaks down, but if that is your aim on creating the software it's going to be a more sim like experience than if you have some other goal from the outset. 

[adx321]

I did a lengthy post in this thread about the differences between a sim based experience and an game based experience.

 

You are correct in that nothing that takes place on a PC/console with a wheel or a joystick or mouse or gamepad input is a true sim. With golf games you have a system/control method to create a set of ball launch conditions, after that the goal should be to make it behave as much as possible like a real ball.  It's almost impossible to do that as the physics is majorly complicated with a bunch of 'corner cases' where the physics sometimes breaks down, but if that is your aim on creating the software it's going to be a more sim like experience than if you have some other goal from the outset. 

 

I agree with you, Mike.

 

Ultimately, any hopes for immersion are lost the moment you use a controller or click a mouse.  There just isn't any way to capture the subtle imperfections in the golf swing or the results of the ball vs the earth.

 

The advantage your team has is you know golf (HB does not have anyone in their studio who knows it beyond a casual exposure) so things like a flop shot backing up stand out to your eyes where they just assume that's "legit".  I wouldn't expect a $20-50 game to replicate the 50k I spent on my sim and anyone who does is a doofus.

 

I see people in the TGC community that somehow think playing without green grids is somehow "more sim" and closer to real life.  I just caddied in the US Open a while back and can tell you we had a green book that easily has as much info as any golf video game green grid.  Those folks are just fooling themselves.  I also don't understand this goal of controlling scores, in a video game.  As if it shouldn't be easier than real golf to sit in a chair with cheeto dust all over you playing "golf"

 

As a good player irl nothing ruins a golf game for me more than seeing "illegitimate" results.  It's not graphics, it's not sound or interface it's seeing the ball do something I know it wouldn't do.  THAT is the battle for my enjoyment

[DoGgs]

career mode?  who cares about career mode lol

I just wanna feel like a pro ADX if thats ok, you know a bit like you... I wanna feel like i'm travelling the world teeing it up at all these exclusive venues playing competition golf...just like you!   Playing off scratch or better with course knowledge to burn, after that i can hit the society club for a few drinks, everyone loves me there, they think i'm awesome..just like you! After that i can drive home in my ferarri 468 to my beautiful wife who has a hot meal ready and waiting and a cold pack of beer down in the basement next to the sim, a sim where i can hone my game to perfection by hitting more golf balls...just like you!  Once i'm done i can join my beautiful wife in the hot tub, then make the sweetest love for a solid 2 hours..just lik.... hang on, sorry man...this plays out very differently if you are gay...ADX??  help us out here man!

[adx321]

I just wanna feel like a pro ADX if thats ok, you know a bit like you... I wanna feel like i'm travelling the world teeing it up at all these exclusive venues playing competition golf...just like you!   Playing off scratch or better with course knowledge to burn, after that i can hit the society club for a few drinks, everyone loves me there, they think i'm awesome..just like you! After that i can drive home in my ferarri 468 to my beautiful wife who has a hot meal ready and waiting and a cold pack of beer down in the basement next to the sim, a sim where i can hone my game to perfection by hitting more golf balls...just like you!  Once i'm done i can join my beautiful wife in the hot tub, then make the sweetest love for a solid 2 hours..just lik.... hang on, sorry man...this plays out very differently if you are gay...ADX??  help us out here man!

 

 

 

 

Hot tubs are so last decade bro

[DoGgs]

I live in the UK adx...third world country! if i want a hot tub i gotta fart in the bath.

[adx321]

I live in the UK adx...third world country! if i want a hot tub i gotta fart in the bath.

 

Make sure it's really a fart

[DoGgs]

I would only follow thru if you were sat across from me adx, care n' share like innit  ...To think theres a parallel universe where that scenario actually plays out...too weird!

[adx321]

I would only follow thru if you were sat across from me adx, care n' share like innit  ...To think theres a parallel universe where that scenario actually plays out...too weird!

 

I've got a pool and a pond.  The pond would be good for you!

[DoGgs]

I've got a pool and a pond.  The pond would be good for you!

considering you strike me as the michael barrymore type, i want nothing to do with ur pool 

[adx321]

considering you strike me as the michael barrymore type, i want nothing to do with ur pool 

 

No idea who that is