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[frank70]

Greensboronclion, on 09 Sept 2016 - 11:01 AM, said:

You guys play a game I am not familiar with and for the record I shot 86 yesterday at TP using RTSM at Chicago and was just glad for that score.  IRL I can go out on a good course and most likely break 80 so for me this game is hard than real life golf and that is crazy and we still want to make it harder.  For the record I am not playing TP anymore as I want to have fun with my video golf and refuse to torture myself with a game and if I want torture in Golf I will play the real thing.  The difficulty of TP is for those who wish for the hardest but most here just want to play and have fun and are never going to shoot -14 at TP and are good with that.  As Wim1234 said above what you guys really need is the simulator as this is not ever going to please you but again a video game that pleases the masses is a success and that is why this game is a success is because it pleases the masses.  For me give me Amateur and Pro and lots of fun and not that misery of the 86 at Chicago.

You don't want to shoot 86 ..... and i don't want to shoot 58.

 

You can move down to Pro or Amateur to get a score you are satisfied with. I can not.

 

And i am not the only one. A lot of guys shoot well, well under par on Tour Pro. What i don't know exactly is, whether they like it that way or not. Fishwicket seems to like it. I do not.

[fishwicket79]

frank70, on 09 Sept 2016 - 11:09 AM, said:

You don't want to shoot 86 ..... and i don't want to shoot 58.

You can move down to Pro or Amateur to get a score you are satisfied with. I can not.

And i am not the only one. A lot of guys shoot well, well under par on Tour Pro. What i don't know exactly is, whether they like it that way or not. Fishwicket seems to like it. I do not.

frank if you really dislike it that much stop playing and also stop ogt because it must be awful to see yourself at the top of the leaderboard lol.these posts are bizzare to me.if you got really good at golf would you go "sod this I'm off I want to be rubbish" when I 1st played this game 8 weeks ago I was use less and couldn't believe what I was seeing until I learnt the game and got better,improvement in anything you do regularly is only natural

[StoneComet]

In the interim if you play with only the normal shot. Do not use chips and flops and pitches and splashes . Switch the shot away to normal every time and only use the shot shaper for loft and punch then the game plays very well. You have to really learn the partial shot and the use of rhythm and the rip or butter to create different shots. You are forced to really learn to play your clubs. Never use BLI or GRID and you have yourself  game. Try it out solo for  few rounds then find someone you trust and try some H2H and see how it goes. The devs could force the game to be played this way at the higher levels or for tournies and we would be fine in my opinion.

[frank70]

fishwicket79, on 09 Sept 2016 - 11:33 AM, said:

frank if you really dislike it that much stop playing and also stop ogt because it must be awful to see yourself at the top of the leaderboard lol.these posts are bizzare to me.if you got really good at golf would you go "sod this I'm off I want to be rubbish" when I 1st played this game 8 weeks ago I was use less and couldn't believe what I was seeing until I learnt the game and got better,improvement in anything you do regularly is only natural

It's astounding that it took you only 8 weeks to be one of the best players of the game.

 

I am playing the game for a good 1 1/2 years now. It is maybe two months away that i changed the way i hold my mouse and how i perform my movement that gave my game a remarkable boost. My long game is far more reliant, less erratic since then. Until those changes a Top 10 on the PGA Tour at OGT was a very good result for me. The last weeks i can compete for a win. And of course with good results there comes satisfaction. It would be even better if the game would simulate the game of golf better.

 

You did that in 8 weeks. Chapeau!

 

You are looking at the game only as a video game. It doesn't matter to you if your score is somewhat realistic when we talk about a simulation. I look at it from a different angle. So we probably will never ever agree on anythin discussed in this post. But that is absolutely no problem.

[Greensboronclion]

frank70, on 09 Sept 2016 - 11:09 AM, said:

You don't want to shoot 86 ..... and i don't want to shoot 58.

 

You can move down to Pro or Amateur to get a score you are satisfied with. I can not.

 

And i am not the only one. A lot of guys shoot well, well under par on Tour Pro. What i don't know exactly is, whether they like it that way or not. Fishwicket seems to like it. I do not.

 

 

I understand Frank and I hope you get what your looking for and they create something for the real hardcore player.  For the rest of us we are happy it seems with what we have and just enjoy playing the game but again I value all opinions and yours is no exception.

[Greensboronclion]

frank70, on 09 Sept 2016 - 11:44 AM, said:

It's astounding that it took you only 8 weeks to be one of the best players of the game.

 

I am playing the game for a good 1 1/2 years now. It is maybe two months away that i changed the way i hold my mouse and how i perform my movement that gave my game a remarkable boost. My long game is far more reliant, less erratic since then. Until those changes a Top 10 on the PGA Tour at OGT was a very good result for me. The last weeks i can compete for a win. And of course with good results there comes satisfaction. It would be even better if the game would simulate the game of golf better.

 

You did that in 8 weeks. Chapeau!

 

You are looking at the game only as a video game. It doesn't matter to you if your score is somewhat realistic when we talk about a simulation. I look at it from a different angle. So we probably will never ever agree on anythin discussed in this post. But that is absolutely no problem.

 

Hey Frank what's that say about me that I have been playing for 1 1/2 years and I still suck.  That's to funny.

[frank70]

Greensboronclion, on 09 Sept 2016 - 11:44 AM, said:

I understand Frank and I hope you get what your looking for and they create something for the real hardcore player.  For the rest of us we are happy it seems with what we have and just enjoy playing the game but again I value all opinions and yours is no exception.

I am happy with the game as well. If i weren't, i wouldn't play it that much.

 

Sometimes i think it is like a marriage  . I dearly love my wife ..... but this little thing or that little thing would be nice, if it were different. But some little things you don't like do not change the big picture. And this is the case when i look at JNPG as well.

[frank70]

Greensboronclion, on 09 Sept 2016 - 11:47 AM, said:

Hey Frank what's that say about me that I have been playing for 1 1/2 years and I still suck.  That's to funny.

Maybe Leonard is not a good enough caddy??? 

[highfade]

I don't think it is question about getting really good at the game.

 

It's about part of the game is out of balance with the rest of the game. If you bring the easier part (short game) into line with the more difficult part (long game) you'll immediately get more realistic scoring and at least you can play a realistic balanced round no matter what your score is.

[DivotMaker]

frank70, on 09 Sept 2016 - 06:42 AM, said:

Yesterday i shot a -14 in the first round of the RTS playoff tournament in Boston. The score is way too low for a sim but i want to come back to the first post of this thread....

 

How are the scores achieved??

 

First of all: This was one of the best, if not the best ballstriking round i have ever had in JNPG. I missed some fairways (9/14) but my approach shots to the greens were stellar (15/18). So i absolutely set myself up for a very, very good round. Proximity to the hole was around 16 feet for GIR.

 

I purposely watched every putt and was trying to analyze what make % the game offers and what make % chance i would have without the BLI and with a little harder swing mechanic.

I had three hard-breaking putts made from 13 , 14 and 16 feet that even in the game i make maybe only 1 of them normally. So that helped my score. But i had a lot of putts in the range from 9 - 18 feet for birdie - and i made almost all of them. I made them all, because i had absolutely precise information about the break. The greens in Massachusetts aren't very slopey but they have a lot of tiny little breaks. A lot of putts a breaking both ways but only a smidgin. In real life, such greens are very hard to read. In the game .... not. On top of that i almost cannot push or pull a putt with RTS-M at the moment.

 

I had very good distance control on the greens as well. So overall i played a great round of golf. But i would say without the super-precise BLI and a little more difficulty in the putting stroke mechanic this would have been an -8 or -9.

 

One note: It is possible to ram those putts in. i had maybe 3 or 4 putts from 5-8 feet with considerable break in it. I just aimed a little outside the hole and used a good amount of power. I think the cups should be way more sensitive. I see abolutely no-lip outs. The ball drops everytime if it gets contact with the hole. The putts that run at or over the edge should lip out more, at least if they are still rolling with a good amount of pace (if they would end up 3 or 4 feet long of the cup). Hopping over the cup only happens if you use way too much power. Maybe the devs could take a look at the cup physics again. That would certainly help with putting stats as well. 

 

Agree to a very large extent.....unlike RTSM, RTSC has a push pull in the putting stroke and it is very challenging at times to hit a straight putt. Agree wholeheartedly that cup physics are WAY too forgiving and rarely if ever do I see a lipout. Short game in RTSC does need a bit of challenge in the short game, but not too much. Too many variables in the long iron game in RTSC that make me cautious to change too much in the short game.

[fishwicket79]

frank70, on 09 Sept 2016 - 11:44 AM, said:

It's astounding that it took you only 8 weeks to be one of the best players of the game.

I am playing the game for a good 1 1/2 years now. It is maybe two months away that i changed the way i hold my mouse and how i perform my movement that gave my game a remarkable boost. My long game is far more reliant, less erratic since then. Until those changes a Top 10 on the PGA Tour at OGT was a very good result for me. The last weeks i can compete for a win. And of course with good results there comes satisfaction. It would be even better if the game would simulate the game of golf better.

You did that in 8 weeks. Chapeau!

You are looking at the game only as a video game. It doesn't matter to you if your score is somewhat realistic when we talk about a simulation. I look at it from a different angle. So we probably will never ever agree on anythin discussed in this post. But that is absolutely no problem.

been playing golf games for a long time with much success.the tiger series and the tgc.the thing I struggled with on this game off the bat was hitting straight above hacker mode but mainly the short game I couldn't get the putting down distance wise,once I got that down it was all good because to me the putting in this game feels very much like the rest in terms of reading putts.frank maybe you would get more of a challenge playing H2H it's a lot different than tourneys, some people play worse some better

[frank70]

@DivotMaker

 

i agree with the putting. With RTS-C it is harder to start the putt on line (although the puttings stats ag OGT suggest, that it doesn't make thaaaat much of a difference).

 

Cup physics revision would be huge. I think most of us are so used to them, that we forget to compare them to reality. They really "gobble-up" a lot of putts. That could be 2-3 strokes more alone per round. You would have to get the tempo absolutely right on the longer ones, and you couldn't "ram-in" the 6-8-footers.

 

But i think that this is one of the most difficult things to code.

[DoGgs]

Fish m8 TGC does not qualify, an octopus with parkinsons could keep a straight bat in that game, and tiger woods was rife with straight shooters, i have not played that game since 08.

[Steve2golf]

frank70, on 09 Sept 2016 - 11:44 AM, said:

It's astounding that it took you only 8 weeks to be one of the best players of the game.

 

I am playing the game for a good 1 1/2 years now. It is maybe two months away that i changed the way i hold my mouse and how i perform my movement that gave my game a remarkable boost. My long game is far more reliant, less erratic since then. Until those changes a Top 10 on the PGA Tour at OGT was a very good result for me. The last weeks i can compete for a win. And of course with good results there comes satisfaction. It would be even better if the game would simulate the game of golf better.

 

You did that in 8 weeks. Chapeau!

 

You are looking at the game only as a video game. It doesn't matter to you if your score is somewhat realistic when we talk about a simulation. I look at it from a different angle. So we probably will never ever agree on anythin discussed in this post. But that is absolutely no problem.

2 weeks of practice beats 2 years of playing IMHO.

Thought I might pipe in here finally. Playing the rtms, absolutely love this game. I can turn the ball to varying degrees without need for a shot shaper. I can miss, I can hit good, i can do do pretty much everything in game I can do on a real course, just with greater consistency.

JMHO You can increase bunker and rough spins and distances, we are just going to dial in the new ones, won't change the scores, but would make the game more fun so go for it.

You can increase wind effects, just going to dial those in to, however the game will be more fun so go for it as well.

I don't think the penalties for miss hits can or should go any further than now, I love being able to hit the 114 banana drive.

Putting, the game needs work here, lots of work here, yes this is where scores can be increased, however, it does serve as a nice balancing for the other harder parts of the game, so I'm tossed here, but personally would love it to be about twice harder. 30 stimp with unforgiving holes would be fun, but I would be playing by myself.

Lots of people are like me, lots not, however i pretty much went for the hardest difficulty out of the gate, but I'm no stranger to golf games, but had it been impossible to play as opposed to just pretty hard, what would I have done. Likely split for greener pastures.

Bottom line, make it hard, you increase the divide and lose the people. I fire up the lobby to 22 people daily, be nice if that was 2222. However to make that 2222, the hardest difficulty, will need to be easier. The vast majority of people are not now nor ever have they been interested in a hard game of golf and they want the hardest difficulty to be brain dead easy. That's a shame really, but don't shoot the messenger, it is what it is unfortunately.

[fishwicket79]

DoGgz, on 09 Sept 2016 - 12:50 PM, said:

Fish m8 TGC does not qualify, an octopus with parkinsons could keep a straight bat in that game, and tiger woods was rife with straight shooters, i have not played that game since 08.

I was referring to golf games in general not just straight hitting.

[DoGgs]

fishwicket79, on 09 Sept 2016 - 1:26 PM, said:

I was referring to golf games in general not just straight hitting.

lol they are the golf games in general, unless you class those cartoon type golf games as golf.

[fishwicket79]

DoGgz, on 09 Sept 2016 - 1:48 PM, said:

lol they are the golf games in general, unless you class those cartoon type golf games as golf.

what exactly are you on about ,every golf game I have played has made me able to learn this game quickly including TGC but you somehow think that doesn't count,and in TGC there was somedays where I would shank left all the time

[frank70]

Steve2golf, on 09 Sept 2016 - 12:57 PM, said:

Bottom line, make it hard, you increase the divide and lose the people. I fire up the lobby to 22 people daily, be nice if that was 2222. However to make that 2222, the hardest difficulty, will need to be easier. The vast majority of people are not now nor ever have they been interested in a hard game of golf and they want the hardest difficulty to be brain dead easy. That's a shame really, but don't shoot the messenger, it is what it is unfortunately.

 

This would be a shame. Is it really so important to a majority to shoot ridicolous scores on the hardest level? I am trying to understand that - but fail at it.

[stopits here]

frank70, on 09 Sept 2016 - 2:09 PM, said:

This would be a shame. Is it really so important to a majority to shoot ridicolous scores on the hardest level? I am trying to understand that - but fail at it.

Just look at the stats and see how many people play Tour Pro.

And honestly i wouldn't want this game to emulate golf like i play IRL, if you do then buy the simulator simple.

On PC/console this is a game simple as that, it can't emulate in any shape or form a golfers swing with a mouse/controller, if you think it should you are deluded, i'm sorry if you don't like this but it's true, if you want real golf go play real golf simple.

[Crow357]

Steve2golf, on 09 Sept 2016 - 12:57 PM, said:

 

Bottom line, make it hard, you increase the divide and lose the people. I fire up the lobby to 22 people daily, be nice if that was 2222. However to make that 2222, the hardest difficulty, will need to be easier. The vast majority of people are not now nor ever have they been interested in a hard game of golf and they want the hardest difficulty to be brain dead easy. That's a shame really, but don't shoot the messenger, it is what it is unfortunately.

I have to totally, vehemently and respectfully disagree with this.  I play JNPG precisely because it's hard.  If I want to play easy golf, I fire up TigerWoods 1-15TGCLinks2001Links3003LeaderbordVirtiginousGolf et. al.  I want the most realistic, most difficult, most badass game of golf there is and right now, that game's name is Jack Nicklaus Perfect Golf.  You are correct tho that the vast majority of gamers DO want easy mode golf.  It's why you could never find anything but an easy mode amateur level game on Xbox Live.  It made me want to shove knitting needles into my temples.  I guess it's because I'm a Golfer first and a Gamer 2nd.

 

Heck, why not just out a button on the tee that says, "Click here for a birdie".