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[Crusher]

To begin with I do not play 3-click much...

 

My post was not geared towards 3clickers only. Any swing type is the theme of that thread.

[zmax - sim]

Think of it like real golf where you have the Tee game, Long Iron Game, Short Game and Putting.  You have to be good at all to be the best player and playing all swings would be the same as you would have to be Proficent at all four swings to be at the top.  Call it the Ultimate Tour.

 

Tell you what, start a poll.  If there's enough interest, I'll set one up.  It'll be private only.

[Crusher]

Think of it like real golf where you have the Tee game, Long Iron Game, Short Game and Putting.  You have to be good at all to be the best player and playing all swings would be the same as you would have to be Proficent at all four swings to be at the top.  Call it the Ultimate Tour.

 

This will most likely never happen.  It takes thousands of hours of practice with one swing-type to become an excellent player. Perhaps a fun round or two for players who wouldn't mind buying a Controller to go along with their mouse.

 

Personally, I would never want to learn another swing-method.  Over 20 years as a 3clicker has given me much experience and intuition on imparting spins during ball impact....and so much more.

[Buck]

This will most likely never happen.

It takes thousands of hours of practice with one swing-type to become an excellent player.

Totally agree

[Sliceapottomus]

bottom line is this is not real golf. It is a video game. a game controlled by mathmatics.. once one figures out the math it will be  very easy on what ever swing you use to replicate the small movements required to create a repeatable swing..Real world numbes will not be achieveable because in the real world mathmatics is not controlling the outcome...real world variables are never going to be replicated w/o some kind of randomizer. And I dont want to see that.. Every golf game I have ever played I have mastered and got bored with... This is the first one that I can honestly say has me by the cahonies....And that is because of rts with the mouse. I do not expect any one to come over to the dark side and share my opinion... But the fact is there will be some that do and those will be the people I choose to compete with. Whatever some one did to get 60 under  has no bearing on how I play the game.. I will continue to play the game as I see fit, and continue my push to tour pro rts mouse...how ever long it takes...

[Sliceapottomus]

I can, and have played all swings. I would not want to play a tourney like this. Like most other ideas that start opff with high hopes and flop this is another that might get 20 to 30 people to start and then you get ony 10 or 15 that might want it regularly.... most want to get proficient in 1 swing and God fobid if they had to  play a swing method that would cause them to shoot below par you'd hear the  sky was falling.....

[frank70]

bottom line is this is not real golf. It is a video game. a game controlled by mathmatics.. once one figures out the math it will be very easy on what ever swing you use to replicate the small movements required to create a repeatable swing..Real world numbes will not be achieveable because in the real world mathmatics is not controlling the outcome...real world variables are never going to be replicated w/o some kind of randomizer. And I dont want to see that.. Every golf game I have ever played I have mastered and got bored with... This is the first one that I can honestly say has me by the cahonies....And that is because of rts with the mouse. I do not expect any one to come over to the dark side and share my opinion... But the fact is there will be some that do and those will be the people I choose to compete with. Whatever some one did to get 60 under has no bearing on how I play the game.. I will continue to play the game as I see fit, and continue my push to tour pro rts mouse...how ever long it takes...

Video golf is about mathematics. But still PP managed to take that out of the equation for the long game.

I am sure they can get there with the short game and the putting too.

The RTS-M is a thing of beauty and will never be mastered in a sense that you can replicate a perfect shot with ease. Actually it is almost impossible to hit the same shot two times in a row.

This applies to the long game. The short game is way more technical and sort of with a calculator in hand. In real life exactly that part of the game needs creativity and feel. That would be the goal - not making the game harder order manipulating stats. That would come from alone if the physics and the grade of difficulty for this shots were correct.

[Mike Jones]

Great topic, I'm going to read every post later this evening and give my thoughts for what they're worth.

 

PS thread cleaned of cheating accusations and the fallout, I want to see no more!

[Harvester]

Just place restrictions on yourself.

 

Never use the driver ...  never go into the overswing zone ...   do what ever makes the game the most realistic for you.

 

Chipping in from just off the green is way to easy.  Even after months away from the game I can still hole out many shots.  I also bang the flag stick way to often while chipping.

[Buck]

Chipping in from just off the green is way too easy.  Even after months away from the game I can still hole out many shots.

I second these thoughts...

[Tigers Agent]

Nothing is stopping you from trying RTSC, MS, or RTSM.  And of course you could close your eyes and swing with RTSC, MS, and RTSM because those swings are all about feel and movement.  3C is about reflexes.  Just because you can't close your eyes and use 3C doesn't somehow make it more sim-oriented right?  

and those swings can and have been manipulated by some.  I choose what I have done for many years where I've never been questioned.

like some on here who've played for so many years 3 clicking.. should have graduated to the next level by now instead of taking advantage of new players to this game.. I choose to challenge myself and a select few who like to be challenged.

I really think some are giving new definition to what simulation means as compared to stimulation.

nature of the beast where everyone claims their swing is the toughest. 3clickis

[Crow357]

Chipping in from just off the green is way to easy. 

Switch to RTSM.  You'll never make another chip the rest of your life... LOL

[Buck]

Switch to RTSM.  You'll never make another chip the rest of your life... LOL

Even though I realize you're mainly being humorous, this element of the game really does need to be addressed, especially for RTS-C if the game is ever going to consoles.

[Greensboronclion]

The chipping with RTSM is not easy but the truth is that IRL chipping is not easy.  If we could incorporate the best of each swing and make it work as one for every swing it would be a perfect world.

[frank70]

Even though I realize you're mainly being humorous, this element of the game really does need to be addressed, especially for RTS-C if the game is ever going to consoles.

The ratio applies to chipping, flopping and pitching for RTS-M as well. So it is very, very difficult to get the ball perfectly straight off the blade. Actually i find that very realistic. Missing the ratio simulates hitting it thin or fat as well. That is well implemented and maybe could be even be pronounced a little, little bit more.

My main gripe with the short game is the too easy distance control - ratio of ballflight to roll doesn't pass my eye test - not enough roll because of too much spin on the ball. Maybe i am wrong though.

[Sliceapottomus]

I was thinking the other day about the chip or pitch ins.... Does seem to be a bit east weather it is because hole physics are too easy or the act of hitting it on the intended line not sure.. But I would not be upset if the devs made the act of the ball going in the cup a tad harder... still think the speed should be tweaked at which firm putts lip out to many way to firm putts drop from golfers perspective...

[Acrilix]

I'd bet with controller or ms, you can close your eyes and swing away. (on drives or ap shots) try closing your eyes on a 3 clk meter and tell me honestly what's harder.

 

In real golf you can close your eyes and swing away too... quite effectively, if you have a good swing.

You've demonstrated another reason why clicking is a less realistic way of controlling a video game golf swing than the more recently employed methods.

[mebby]

and those swings can and have been manipulated by some.  I choose what I have done for many years where I've never been questioned.

like some on here who've played for so many years 3 clicking.. should have graduated to the next level by now instead of taking advantage of new players to this game.. I choose to challenge myself and a select few who like to be challenged.

I really think some are giving new definition to what simulation means as compared to stimulation.

nature of the beast where everyone claims their swing is the toughest. 3clickis

I don't want to turn this into a cheating discussion but let's not act like 3C has never been manipulated.  No swing method is immune to those who chose to go down that path.  If they want it bad enough they'll find a way.  And it's been done.

 

I'm all for anyone using whatever type of swing they want.  It's fantastic that we have options.

 

But to sit there and say that 3C is the holy grail is naivety at its best.

[Harvester]

Switch to RTSM.  You'll never make another chip the rest of your life... LOL

That's what I'm using.  I switched to it to try and use the no interface type game.

 

I just finished a couple of rounds and although I didn't hole out as often I sure did lay it right next to the hole.  It's to easy.

[Tigers Agent]

 

But to sit there and say that 3C is the holy grail is naivety at its best.

could you please quote me on that comment?  implied might have been a better choice of words?