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[Mike Jones]

The current low camera view is included in the putting camera cycle in the update along with two new higher views which make it easier for people using RTS to guage putter movement. The low cam sits at about mid thigh height. Not sure why you would want it lower but if you want it lower still, the only option would be to free cam move it at the moment.

[Buck]

Mike Jones, on 03 Dec 2016 - 10:01 PM, said:

The current low camera view is included in the putting camera cycle in the update along with two new higher views which make it easier for people using RTS to guage putter movement. The low cam sits at about mid thigh height. Not sure why you would want it lower but if you want it lower still, the only option would be to free cam move it at the moment.

 

May I please just reiterate the request for one even lower?  (not even in the normal cycle, but perhaps just enabled in settings/prefs?)

 

I know - No Aids People like me are weird, but it would be so greatly appreciated!!

 

(that or having the freecam get tweaked w/ no terrain bounce or perhaps some settings of acceleration in speed based upon how long you hold a direction, etc?)

 

Tiger one shown here:

[Mike Jones]

There might be .001% of the players of the game who would want or use that 2 inches off the ground view as well as many who might want all the values above that at 1 inch intervals! At some point we have to decide what is reasonable and realistic and go with that.

 

There might be less than 10 golfers in the entire history of the PGA tour who have ever gotten lower than crouching height when sizing up a putt and I don't think any of them has figured at the top of the putting stats

[Dazmaniac]

I agree the game needs a low view cam for those who play no grid or BLI, but unless you are Camillo Villegas a golfer never gets his eyes 2 inches above the ground when lining up a putt in real life, lol.

 

Villegas (on occasion and definitely not the norm for 99% of players)

 

Spieth

 

@ SGC - so you're telling me that you almost get your chin to the ground when lining up a putt when playing real life golf? This is much easier in Snooker, as the level of the table is a good few feet from the floor.

[Mike Jones]

Dazmaniac, on 03 Dec 2016 - 10:07 PM, said:

@ SGC - so you're telling me that you almost get your chin to the ground when lining up a putt when playing real life golf? This is much easier in Snooker, as the level of the table is a good few feet from the floor.

 

I think you missed the irony

[Buck]

The lower view would simply be useful in the translation of the 3D world of real life onto the 2D screen, thus enabling those of us who would like to play with no BLI/Grid to better read the greens with our eyes only.

 

That's the whole point - Just asking for some accessibility accommodations to be able to use our eyes and no assists - you know...like real golf?  

 

For me the specific issue is my use of RTS-C and the FreeCam being either too sensitive for putting view use or not sensitive enough for general use if you tweak it w/ the config file.

[Buck]

Dazmaniac, on 03 Dec 2016 - 10:07 PM, said:

...a golfer never gets his eyes 2 inches above the ground when lining up a putt in real life, lol.

 

To be fair, the real life golfer doesn't have a grid overlay or a BLI with her/him either...

[mebby]

Mike Jones, on 03 Dec 2016 - 10:07 PM, said:

There might be .001% of the players of the game who would want or use that 2 inches off the ground view as well as many who might want all the values above that at 1 inch intervals! At some point we have to decide what is reasonable and realistic and go with that.

There might be less than 10 golfers in the entire history of the PGA tour who have ever gotten lower than crouching height when sizing up a putt and I don't think any of them has figured at the top of the putting stats

I think k this might be one of those areas where real life and video game golf need to diverge for good reason. You can read a putt a thigh high in video game!e golf with grids or BLI.

I get that I'm in the minority here so it is what it is. But just stating my case.

[Buck]

Mike Jones, on 03 Dec 2016 - 10:07 PM, said:

There might be less than 10 golfers in the entire history of the PGA tour who have ever gotten lower than crouching height when sizing up a putt

 

Why does that matter though?

How many of them had a digital grid overlay or a BLI green analysis tool either?

 

It's just a matter of making the game and a certain way some people like to play more fun and accessible.  There's no competitive edge or anything - It's just making something more useful and easy to access (vs fighting the FreeCam)

 

That's a good thing, is it not?  

[Mike Jones]

Buck, on 03 Dec 2016 - 10:20 PM, said:

Why does that matter though?

How many of them had a digital grid overlay or a BLI green analysis tool either?

 

It's just a matter of making the game and a certain way some people like to play more fun and accessible.  There's no competitive edge or anything - It's just making something more useful and easy to access (vs fighting the FreeCam)

 

That's a good thing, is it not?  

 

I'm sorry that none of the putting cams will be to your liking but you still have the free cam to help read your putt, if you really want to do that you will have to use settings which compromise other uses of the freecam but you're in the vast minority so you'd expect to have to make some compromises to get to where you need to be to see the break. You can't get down to 2 inches but you can get down to a perhaps a foot or 15 inches from the ground. If that is still too high I have to tell you that it's a low as it will go.

 

While we try and accommodate as many options and play styles as we can (for example when we added the free cam and the current low putting cam) we have to draw the line at what we consider to be a reasonable point. We may not agree where that point is but that is the nature of discussion and debate and I have no problem with you asking for things on the understanding that we may not be able to grant your wishes everytime. 

[Dazmaniac]

Thinking about a bit more, after a bit of fiddling with the F5 view, you can get the view seen below.

 

 

So it's not that you can't do it, just that it might be better for all concerned if there was a quick hot key to get to the above view, as it took me a bit of time to get it just right with F5, due to the constant bouncing back up when it gets near the ground.

[SirGrassCutter]

This is a side issue but I always wanted a hotkey to reset to cup.  If one has a long putt of say 20 feet or more and checks for a bli break on what looks like a straight putt, it is very difficult to recenter on the pin.

[Buck]

Mike Jones, on 03 Dec 2016 - 10:29 PM, said:

I'm sorry that none of the putting cams will be to your liking but you still have the free cam to help read your putt, if you really want to do that you will have to use settings which compromise other uses of the freecam but you're in the vast minority so you'd expect to have to make some compromises to get to where you need to be to see the break. You can't get down to 2 inches but you can get down to a perhaps a foot or 15 inches from the ground. If that is still too high I have to tell you that it's a low as it will go.

 

While we try and accommodate as many options and play styles as we can (for example when we added the free cam and the current low putting cam) we have to draw the line at what we consider to be a reasonable point. We may not agree where that point is but that is the nature of discussion and debate and I have no problem with you asking for things on the understanding that we may not be able to grant your wishes everytime. 

 

 

1.  FreeCam sucks because it bounces off the terrain (see Daz's post above)

2.  I never asked for 2" off the ground anyhow - Could there not be one just a bit lower than current?

3.  You said that "you have to draw the line on what's reasonable" - May I ask why?  Or could you elaborate?

This just seem so simple to have an even lower option (in options) that can be enabled and the problem is solved.   How is that request unreasonable or even much effort at all?

 

My final point would be - You say nobody plays this way or is asking for this - That is a bit of a catch 22 in that it's a huge PITA to play with no aids, largely because of the FreeCam bounce/compromises and no lower views by default.  Maybe more would play that way with some accommodations to enable it?

 

I mean - Why did the Tiger Dev team feel there was value in that lower view I posted, right?

Must be useful for something/some people?

[Buck]

Honestly if the FreeCam could just be made to not bounce off the terrain and just "stop" I would completely shut the hell up and just use that.

 

It detects the terrain and bounces up - Could it not simply "not bounce up"?

 

Problem solved in that case, no?

[Buck]

Dazmaniac, on 03 Dec 2016 - 10:29 PM, said:

Thinking about a bit more, after a bit of fiddling with the F5 view, you can get the view seen below.

 

 

So it's not that you can't do it, just that it might be better for all concerned if there was a quick hot key to get to the above view, as it took me a bit of time to get it just right with F5, due to the constant bouncing back up when it gets near the ground.

 

What is F5 anyhow?  (great view you've dialed up there btw)

 

One must remember that RTS-C users may not have a keyboard around / prefer to not engage with a KB during play (TV/streaming it, etc)

 

On a green with more undulations to it, that view you crafted with F5 would be incredibly illuminating.  You really can putt very very well with a lower camera angle and no aids - I lost very few strokes and enjoyed it so much more than using the aids.

[Mike Jones]

Takes me about 5 seconds (without much practice) to get down to about 10 inches from the ground using controller freecam from the low camera view. Angle the view down, move forward, angle the view up. 

 

Autoexec values:

 

--cam_forwardSpeed=1

--cam_sideSpeed=1

--cam_upSpeed=.1

 

 

Good luck and enjoy the view.

[Buck]

Mike Jones, on 03 Dec 2016 - 10:55 PM, said:

 

Takes me about 5 seconds (without much practice) to get down to about 10 inches from the ground using controller freecam from the low camera view. Angle the view down, move forward, angle the view up. 

 

Autoexec values:

 

--cam_forwardSpeed=1

--cam_sideSpeed=1

--cam_upSpeed=.1

 

 

Good luck and enjoy the view.

 

 

Mike could the FreeCam just be made to "stop" when it encounters terrain as opposed to doing the "bounce"?

That literally would solve this for people looking for a lower view.

 

(I know about the config stuff, thank you.  The problem is that it ruins the freecam for everything else sadly)

[SirGrassCutter]

F5 is of not much use imo for one reason.  After setting the aim it resets to normal view.  Each time I have to call up F5 view again if I want to further tweak the aim in that view.  I always used the low view shown in TW games.  I do not play bare golf here.  I could and would if I had that view in this game via a quick hotkey.  So I must respectfully disagree with Mike on this one.  It should be included  in the game imo too.

[Acrilix]

I'm another of the one in a thousand group. I don't play 'no aids' on JNPG at present (partly because I know I couldn't read the greens with the current camera views) but I will probably want to at some point. I've played 'no aids' on a couple of golf games in the past and it is crucial to get really low to have any chance of a read on a monitor or tv screen. It may not be realistic to get that low in real life, but in real life the world isn't represented on a flat plane made up of coloured dots.

[axe360]

I agree with the big dog Mike. Takes a sec or so to hit F5 zoom down hit F5 and live large.