RTSM is just WAY too hard for me. Even on Amateur level, I duff about 5 or 6 shots per round. With the other swing methods, I can feel or see what I did wrong. With RTSM it's just, "Huh?" LOL

Dev Update November 2016
#161
Posted 30 November 2016 - 02:09 PM
Swing Type: Tour Pro Wireless XBox 360 Controller.
#162
Posted 30 November 2016 - 02:16 PM
Crow357, on 30 Nov 2016 - 2:09 PM, said:
RTSM is just WAY too hard for me. Even on Amateur level, I duff about 5 or 6 shots per round. With the other swing methods, I can feel or see what I did wrong. With RTSM it's just, "Huh?" LOL
That has been my impression Art. If I had the time needed to learn the swing, I would love it as I love a good challenge. I just don't have time to learn and I feel the challenge in Tour Pro with RTSC is great for me. To coin a phrase I saw JCat post one day....it just feels "organic" to me especially with this upcoming update.
Xbox One X
Steam ID: DivotMaker
#163
Posted 30 November 2016 - 02:17 PM
DivotMaker, on 30 Nov 2016 - 1:59 PM, said:
Frank,
I have been using the Caliber ball for months. I just switched to the Avant ball for more of a swing challenge. My scoring in the last two tournaments was -25 at Liberty (Winner playing same difficulty shot -50) and I shot -2 at Lands end with the winner at -25......hang in there, I think you will see some leveling of challenge coming with the update.
You beat me by 7 strokes at Liberty although you were playing with the new build. Not very encouraging for me .
I found a pattern for the scoring differences: On shorter courses the field comes closer together. Those that are using the caliber ball often have holes with "driver-wedge" as well. And missing the fairways isn't that big of a problem, if you can hit a wedge or a short iron out of the rough.
On longer courses though, RTS-C-players always are dominant. Avant ball, 15 yards longer of the tee, 15+% more accuracy off the tee, more Par 5s reached in 2. No chance against that. The best 3-clickers were a lot of strokes off the lead at Liberty. The week before, the field was closer together. That is a good indication, that RTS-C-players have a huge driving advantage.
We still all have fun playing the tourneys. But man, would it be great if we had an even more level playing field.
#164
Posted 30 November 2016 - 02:22 PM
frank70, on 30 Nov 2016 - 2:17 PM, said:
You beat me by 7 strokes at Liberty although you were playing with the new build. Not very encouraging for me
.
I found a pattern for the scoring differences: On shorter courses the field comes closer together. Those that are using the caliber ball often have holes with "driver-wedge" as well. And missing the fairways isn't that big of a problem, if you can hit a wedge or a short iron out of the rough.
On longer courses though, RTS-C-players always are dominant. Avant ball, 15 yards longer of the tee, 15+% more accuracy off the tee, more Par 5s reached in 2. No chance against that. The best 3-clickers were a lot of strokes off the lead at Liberty. The week before, the field was closer together. That is a good indication, that RTS-C-players have a huge driving advantage.
We still all have fun playing the tourneys. But man, would it be great if we had an even more level playing field.
I am not sure this is the case. I can guarantee you the Avant is a helluva lot harder to hit straight. I am not seeing 15%+ more accuracy at all. Quite the opposite. The Caliber ball was a big factor in my ability to compete at a higher level. That is why I am moving to the Avant as I want to try to master it if I can, but have more challenge off the tee and on approach shots.
Agree that much of this is course dependent. On longer courses, I struggle with the Caliber ball because few Par 5's are reachable, partly because one way to manage the course is to not swing fully 100%. So while I see where you are coming from, the stats you presented do not tell the whole story.
Lets revisit this in a month or so after the update....
Xbox One X
Steam ID: DivotMaker
#165
Posted 30 November 2016 - 02:29 PM
frank70, on 30 Nov 2016 - 2:17 PM, said:
On longer courses though, RTS-C-players always are dominant. Avant ball, 15 yards longer of the tee, 15+% more accuracy off the tee, more Par 5s reached in 2. No chance against that. The best 3-clickers were a lot of strokes off the lead at Liberty. The week before, the field was closer together. That is a good indication, that RTS-C-players have a huge driving advantage.
I think this analysis is probably spot on. I don't play competitively, but I have switched back to 3-click from RTS-C a couple of months ago and I'm finding the same courses play very differently now. I'm much shorter off the tee now and some fairway bunkers that weren't even in play for me on my own Abbotsley course, as I would effortlessly sail over them, are now having to be avoided because they are very much in play. I use the Caliber ball because my timing these days with the snap is not good, and also used this ball for RTS-C. I think that It is the ease of the RTS-C overswing that is making the difference. I really can't overswing much in 3-click.
#166
Posted 30 November 2016 - 02:33 PM
Acrilix, on 30 Nov 2016 - 2:29 PM, said:
I think this analysis is probably spot on. I don't play competitively, but I have switched back to 3-click from RTS-C a couple of months ago and I'm finding the same courses play very differently now. I'm much shorter off the tee now and some fairway bunkers that weren't even in play for me on my own Abbotsley course, as I would effortlessly sail over them, are now having to be avoided because they are very much in play. I use the Caliber ball because my timing these days with the snap is not good, and also used this ball for RTS-C. I think that It is the ease of the RTS-C overswing that is making the difference. I really can't overswing much in 3-click.
I rarely ever use overswing because in my experience, the results are very penal if you don't hit the ball perfectly straight and with a proper downswing speed......
I will be anxious to see how my FIR and GIR is impacted by moving back to the Avant ball. Breaking par will likely be much more challenging than it has been recently.....
Xbox One X
Steam ID: DivotMaker
#167
Posted 30 November 2016 - 02:49 PM
DivotMaker, on 30 Nov 2016 - 2:22 PM, said:
I am not sure this is the case. I can guarantee you the Avant is a helluva lot harder to hit straight. I am not seeing 15%+ more accuracy at all. Quite the opposite. The Caliber ball was a big factor in my ability to compete at a higher level. That is why I am moving to the Avant as I want to try to master it if I can, but have more challenge off the tee and on approach shots.
Agree that much of this is course dependent. On longer courses, I struggle with the Caliber ball because few Par 5's are reachable, partly because one way to manage the course is to not swing fully 100%. So while I see where you are coming from, the stats you presented do not tell the whole story.
Lets revisit this in a month or so after the update....
Look at my screenshot again: The RTS-C-players, that are using the caliber ball have a FIR of 90%+. The RTS-C-players that are using the avant ball are between 82 and 88%. Thats around 20-25% in the first case and 11-17% higher accuracy than the best RTS-M player, SJude, was (71%). The numbers are quite clear. I had 65% FIR and felt while playing, that i had a pretty good driving tourney. The fairways at Liberty aren't particularly wide in general.
P.S.: I get an error message when trying to upload the screenshot. It's in my first post on that topic from today.
#168
Posted 30 November 2016 - 02:52 PM
frank70, on 30 Nov 2016 - 1:53 PM, said:
Yes, maybe it is what it is. But i am sure the devs have enough to do. I don't know, if they are even aware of these stats.
Quite a few players have better FIR than GIR numbers. Maybe it's a problem that the penalty with driver should be a tad higher. Maybe the lower GIR is a consequence of going for every pin. Hard to say.
The problem with hitting longer drives is that you tend to leave a shot to the green which is half way between two clubs. I find playing a half or three quarter shot fairly difficult to judge in regards to distance. Hitting a shorter club at 122% can get the carry distance but invokes heavy back spin, so maybe hitting long drives with RTS-C may not always be such an advantage IMO.
#169
Posted 30 November 2016 - 02:59 PM
frank70, on 30 Nov 2016 - 2:49 PM, said:
Look at my screenshot again: The RTS-C-players, that are using the caliber ball have a FIR of 90%+. The RTS-C-players that are using the avant ball are between 82 and 88%. Thats around 20-25% in the first case and 11-17% higher accuracy than the best RTS-M player, SJude, was (71%). The numbers are quite clear. I had 65% FIR and felt while playing, that i had a pretty good driving tourney. The fairways at Liberty aren't particularly wide in general.
P.S.: I get an error message when trying to upload the screenshot. It's in my first post on that topic from today.
I get that Frank and agree. However, one factor that we haven't talked about is hitting 100% or lower power shots. What distance are they giving up to be in the fairway? I give up a TON using the Caliber and will likely do the same with alot more mis-hit risk with the Avant. That is why I never try to hit over 100% power on any shot because the penalty for shots over 100% and any increase in downswing speed ramps up the risk and chance for mis-hit dramatically. Does this need to be changed to have a more linear risk/reward? Lets talk after a few tournaments in the new build....
Xbox One X
Steam ID: DivotMaker
#170
Posted 30 November 2016 - 03:20 PM
DivotMaker, on 30 Nov 2016 - 2:59 PM, said:
I get that Frank and agree. However, one factor that we haven't talked about is hitting 100% or lower power shots. What distance are they giving up to be in the fairway? I give up a TON using the Caliber and will likely do the same with alot more mis-hit risk with the Avant. That is why I never try to hit over 100% power on any shot because the penalty for shots over 100% and any increase in downswing speed ramps up the risk and chance for mis-hit dramatically. Does this need to be changed to have a more linear risk/reward? Lets talk after a few tournaments in the new build....
We observe the next weeks after the update.
But what you describe is the same what RTS-M-players are experiencing. I only go into overswing purposely when i absolutely have to. And then it is a highly dangerous shot. I put two balls into the water in the last tourney because i was exactly in between clubs (225 and 247). It's almost impossible to get the tempo right when changing your swing rhythm (longer backswing - little faster downswing)
In the end we come back to the device itself. Some controllers seem to be more leniant considering penalty. Some RTS-C-players average way over 300 yards and still are very accurate. Overswing has to be in use there. If i overswing only to 110% and would use the avant ball i would be all over the place. And i am not that bad of a player. I am way shorter (caliber) and way less accurate (15+ %) than the best RTS-C-players. It's a disadvantage, no matter what. And right now, there is no RTS-M player at OGT who can reach RTS-C stats.
#171
Posted 30 November 2016 - 03:50 PM
frank70, on 30 Nov 2016 - 3:20 PM, said:
We observe the next weeks after the update.
But what you describe is the same what RTS-M-players are experiencing. I only go into overswing purposely when i absolutely have to. And then it is a highly dangerous shot. I put two balls into the water in the last tourney because i was exactly in between clubs (225 and 247). It's almost impossible to get the tempo right when changing your swing rhythm (longer backswing - little faster downswing)
In the end we come back to the device itself. Some controllers seem to be more leniant considering penalty. Some RTS-C-players average way over 300 yards and still are very accurate. Overswing has to be in use there. If i overswing only to 110% and would use the avant ball i would be all over the place. And i am not that bad of a player. I am way shorter (caliber) and way less accurate (15+ %) than the best RTS-C-players. It's a disadvantage, no matter what. And right now, there is no RTS-M player at OGT who can reach RTS-C stats.
I hear you....I am playing with the Xbox One Elite controller and trust me when I say it is far from forgiving.
Xbox One X
Steam ID: DivotMaker
#172
Posted 30 November 2016 - 03:52 PM
I have to say that I am a bit concerned regarding the new update because I'm not sure that my graphics card (GTX 750 Ti) will handle the 3D grass.
At the moment I can run the graphics at full max but only just, and I do not want to have to reduce them, so I have decided to upgrade, yet again, in an effort to keep pace with the game.
I have purchased a GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4g which was released on the 16th Nov and is very reasonably priced and is 70% better than the 750 card.
I hope that PP will continue to enhance both game play and graphics in all of their updates because I believe this game is well worth it even if it means that I have to keep upgrading.
#173
Posted 30 November 2016 - 03:54 PM
Vernon520, on 30 Nov 2016 - 3:52 PM, said:
I have to say that I am a bit concerned regarding the new update because I'm not sure that my graphics card (GTX 750 Ti) will handle the 3D grass.
At the moment I can run the graphics at full max but only just, and I do not want to have to reduce them, so I have decided to upgrade, yet again, in an effort to keep pace with the game.
I have purchased a GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4g which was released on the 16th Nov and is very reasonably priced and is 70% better than the 750 card.
I hope that PP will continue to enhance both game play and graphics in all of their updates because I believe this game is well worth it even if it means that I have to keep upgrading.
This update will not have the 3D grass. Pretty sure that won't be released until a DX11 only version of the game is fully tested and released.
Xbox One X
Steam ID: DivotMaker
#174
Posted 30 November 2016 - 03:55 PM
Vernon520, on 30 Nov 2016 - 3:52 PM, said:
I have to say that I am a bit concerned regarding the new update because I'm not sure that my graphics card (GTX 750 Ti) will handle the 3D grass.
At the moment I can run the graphics at full max but only just, and I do not want to have to reduce them, so I have decided to upgrade, yet again, in an effort to keep pace with the game.
I have purchased a GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4g which was released on the 16th Nov and is very reasonably priced and is 70% better than the 750 card.
I hope that PP will continue to enhance both game play and graphics in all of their updates because I believe this game is well worth it even if it means that I have to keep upgrading.
I hope you have a good CPU. I recently bought a 1080 gtx and i cannot run most courses maxed out. I have a 3770 k processor overclocked to 4200 mhz.
#175
Posted 30 November 2016 - 04:07 PM
Crow357, on 30 Nov 2016 - 2:09 PM, said:
RTSM is just WAY too hard for me. Even on Amateur level, I duff about 5 or 6 shots per round. With the other swing methods, I can feel or see what I did wrong. With RTSM it's just, "Huh?" LOL
I was an MS guy before RTS-C and I did try RTS-M for a fair bit but this analysis by Crow is sort of my conclusion also.
The "wtf just happened" on every shot factor was just too high for me. It's all good as clearly many enjoy it, but I'm definitely an RTS-C guy moving forward (likely forever at this point).
#176
Posted 30 November 2016 - 04:10 PM
frank70, on 30 Nov 2016 - 3:55 PM, said:
I hope you have a good CPU. I recently bought a 1080 gtx and i cannot run most courses maxed out. I have a 3770 k processor overclocked to 4200 mhz.
I will see. If that is the case then it's a new MB and CPU. However, I did upgrade with 8g of Hyperx gaming RAM a while ago which improved the quality of the game, no end.
Fingers crossed!
#180
Posted 30 November 2016 - 05:01 PM
frank70, on 30 Nov 2016 - 3:55 PM, said:
I hope you have a good CPU. I recently bought a 1080 gtx and i cannot run most courses maxed out. I have a 3770 k processor overclocked to 4200 mhz.
I am curious as to what load your cpu runs at. I have an i7 5930k with a 15mb cache running at 3.7ghz. This is pared with a GTX980. In rounds my cpu runs at 20%. I mistakenly misquoted my cpu load usage as 25% in another thread. I do wish you a better experience with your new card.
0 user(s) are reading this topic
0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users