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#101 DivotMaker

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Posted 10 December 2016 - 09:49 PM

SirGrassCutter, on 10 Dec 2016 - 9:43 PM, said:

Every thing that has been implemented in this game started as a suggestion.  So now is the time to put up a strong disagreement of it before the poisoned minds set in.  I am sorry you took my post as being confrontational.  I have never understood why a well thought out post full of pertinent points is taken this way.  Could it be that I have left no room for a rebuttal.  I think so.   :)

 

Your posts come off as confrontational because they are typically very strongly worded. You tend to attack others you disagree with instead of carrying on a rational, yet civil discussion. You also get very defensive at ANY idea that is not yours or you perceive it to threaten the way you play this game. Again, the features implemented and removed in this game are done so with a great deal of feedback and care for the ENTIRE community, not just you or I.


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Posted 10 December 2016 - 09:49 PM

SirGrassCutter, on 10 Dec 2016 - 9:47 PM, said:

...the 1% that follows this forum is a majority when it is not.

 

That is a great point actually.

We should remember that PP is hoping to release this on consoles and perhaps they are keeping that very different demographic in mind with some of their design/feature decisions also!

 

I know one thing - RTS-C usage will go through the ROOF when it gets to consoles (for obvious reasons)



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Posted 10 December 2016 - 09:50 PM

DivotMaker, on 10 Dec 2016 - 9:38 PM, said:

Hate to break it to you, but PP is not taking sides. Not yours, not mine, not anyone's. They are taking the side of the entire community and what is best for the many, not the one or the few.

You sound like Mr. Spock! You're not a Vulcan are you?



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Posted 10 December 2016 - 09:52 PM

Buck, on 10 Dec 2016 - 9:39 PM, said:

The custom snap levels went away because the main point of the difficulty levels is to set the assists.

Once you start changing those, you are no longer "on that difficultly level".

 

So what?  Want I preferred to play was not one of the difficulty levels and was why custom was introduced in the first place.  What the heck is wrong with you people being so worried about winning.  it is a sickness with some.  If one is not concerned overly about winning a video game, then one is also not concerned with who is playing what.  I will never stop stating this because it is simply factual.



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Posted 10 December 2016 - 09:52 PM

SirGrassCutter, on 10 Dec 2016 - 9:47 PM, said:

Tis a shame that you and others think that the 1% that follows this forum is a majority when it is not.  The entire community entails all that play this game, not just those who frequent the forum.

 

Case in point.....you could not be more wrong. That is NOT what I or others think. How you could possibly know what others are thinking from reading printed messages in a forum is beyond me. And that attitude is what puts most folks off, especially when you proclaim your opinion is a fact.


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Posted 10 December 2016 - 09:53 PM

Vernon520, on 10 Dec 2016 - 9:50 PM, said:

You sound like Mr. Spock! You're not a Vulcan are you?

 

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Posted 10 December 2016 - 09:53 PM

SirGrassCutter, on 10 Dec 2016 - 9:52 PM, said:

So what?  Want I preferred to play was not one of the difficulty levels and was why custom was introduced in the first place.  What the heck is wrong with you people being so worried about winning.  it is a sickness with some.  If one is not concerned overly about winning a video game, then one is also not concerned with who is playing what.  I will never stop stating this because it is a simply fact.

 

 

Maybe Custom should never have been there at all...I don't know man..

 

Look - The Devs have decided to create several levels of play and have everyone gravitate towards one that works for them.

 

Just a find a level that works for you.



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Posted 10 December 2016 - 09:55 PM

DivotMaker, on 10 Dec 2016 - 9:49 PM, said:

Your posts come off as confrontational because they are typically very strongly worded. You tend to attack others you disagree with instead of carrying on a rational, yet civil discussion. You also get very defensive at ANY idea that is not yours or you perceive it to threaten the way you play this game. Again, the features implemented and removed in this game are done so with a great deal of feedback and care for the ENTIRE community, not just you or I.

 

I only know one way of writing style.  Debating is not attacking but I am sorry you see it as this way.



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Posted 10 December 2016 - 09:56 PM

Pretty obvious we aren't going to resolve this. Good luck to you.


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Posted 10 December 2016 - 10:02 PM

DivotMaker, on 10 Dec 2016 - 9:52 PM, said:

Case in point.....you could not be more wrong. That is NOT what I or others think. How you could possibly know what others are thinking from reading printed messages in a forum is beyond me. And that attitude is what puts most folks off, especially when you proclaim your opinion is a fact.

 

Try refuting my facts then.  I have never backed down from my posts and always back up what I say when asked.  Diplomacy is something I never have believed in.  i believe in telling the truth.  True from your post above that we will not resolve this because some never can admit when in the wrong.  Nor do they try to defend their side.  I tried in vain.

 

". You also get very defensive at ANY idea that is not yours or you perceive it to threaten the way you play this game. 

 

I guess my wording is not forceful enough even though I have explained this many times in this thread alone.  When people want things taken out of the game which they themselves are never forced to play at the detriment of others fun, you are damn right i get very defensive!  I do not like selfishness nor illogical ideas.  When you can effectively explain to me why an unforced to play option should be taken out of the game when even only a few like it I will recant.  Until then you are skirting the real issue and not offering any rebuttals.  In short you are just wasting words at this point.  I await your explanation why you think your agreement with Buck's erroneous suggestion is viable.



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Posted 10 December 2016 - 10:04 PM

SirGrassCutter, on 10 Dec 2016 - 10:02 PM, said:

Diplomacy is something I never have believed in.

 

I think you're alone on that my friend.

I have a feeling we all here mostly do indeed highly value diplomacy, respect, courtesy and a kind tone when communicating on here.



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Posted 10 December 2016 - 10:13 PM

Buck, on 10 Dec 2016 - 10:04 PM, said:

I think you're alone on that my friend.

I have a feeling we all here mostly do indeed highly value diplomacy, respect, courtesy and a kind tone when communicating on here.

 

Have you never heard what the real definition of diplomacy is?  Diplomacy is not telling an a-hole that he is indeed one. This is not to say i am calling anyone here one other then a particular agent.  Diplomacy and political ineptnous (correctness) is destroying this world, but that is not for this forum.  I respect a person who does not pull their punches.  I have a lower level of respect for those who pansie about with their wording.  Buck on far more than one occasion you have not given me respect, so you too are guilty.  I try with great effort to explain myself in all my posts and for this I am told I am rude?  It it looks like a kettle, I shall call it a kettle.  At least respect that I don't cower when confronted like a few here to.  Of to play some rounds, g'day.



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Posted 10 December 2016 - 10:16 PM

SirGrassCutter, on 10 Dec 2016 - 10:13 PM, said:

Have you never heard what the real definition of diplomacy is? Diplomacy is not tell an a-hole that he is indeed one. This is not to say i am calling anyone here one other then a particular agent. Diplomacy and political ineptnous (correctness) is destroying this world. I respect a person who does not pull their punches. I have a lower level of respect for those who pansie about with their wording. Buck on far more than one occasion you have not given me respect, so you too are guilty.


You're simply too argumentative for me to enjoy conversations with you, I'm sorry.

Hope you find a difficulty level that works for you.

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Re: diplomacy:

the art of dealing with people in a sensitive and effective way.

"his genius for tact and diplomacy"

synonyms: tact, tactfulness, sensitivity, discretion, subtlety, finesse, delicacy, savoir faire, politeness, thoughtfulness, care, judiciousness, prudence
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Posted 10 December 2016 - 10:19 PM

SirGrassCutter, on 10 Dec 2016 - 10:02 PM, said:

Try refuting my facts then.  I have never backed down from my posts and always back up what I say when asked.  Diplomacy is something I never have believed in.  i believe in telling the truth.  True from your post above that we will not resolve this because some never can admit when in the wrong.  Nor do they try to defend their side.  I tried in vain.
 
". You also get very defensive at ANY idea that is not yours or you perceive it to threaten the way you play this game. 
 
I guess my wording is not forceful enough even though I have explained this many times in this thread alone.  When people want things taken out of the game which they themselves are never forced to play at the detriment of others fun, you are damn right i get very defensive!  I do not like selfishness nor illogical ideas.  When you can effectively explain to me why an unforced to play option should be taken out of the game when even only a few like it I will recant.  Until then you are skirting the real issue and not offering any rebuttals.  In short you are just wasting words at this point.  I await your explanation why you think your agreement with Buck's erroneous suggestion is viable.


I replied to this earlier and I really don't owe you any further explanation. And your confrontational manner is very evident, yet you are the only one failing to see this. I can assure you that you are not going to get the Devs attention when your posts come off as they do.

As stated above, this "issue" you are making a mountain out of, I am through wasting my time trying to reason with you.

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Posted 10 December 2016 - 10:19 PM

SirGrassCutter, on 10 Dec 2016 - 9:22 PM, said:

The stupid suggestion of the year award goes to Armand.  Do you seriously think more than a handful of players would stay if putting random mishits on drives in?!!  

 

I can only imagine the mess this would create in a race sim.  Imagine randomness being put into the steering.  The player turns the wheel the correct amount but because we are human with "randomness" the developer decided it should be in the race game.  Now the player who did everything right hitting the apex at the correct speed and angle suddenly had the "randomness" kick in and sends him into a wall.  That is as ridiculous there as it would be to have random hits here.  When will the ever increasing nonsense in this forum end?  Good grief!

 

And the relevance is what?  This isn't a race sim, nor did I make the suggestion for steering a car in a game.  The suggestion was an attempt to reflect the real swing in that it's likely the club face isn't always pointed exactly the player thinks it is (i.e., perfectly to the aiming pole).

 

If my preferences were all implemented in the game, I think perhaps only Ted Ball and maybe SC and I might play the game.  So, I doubt anyone has to worry that they will implemented.  But, if I don't voice my preferences/suggestions, there is absolutely ZERO chance of them being implemented.  I fully admit the the suggestion is 'out there' for many/most.   Everyone has the same opportunity in the forums to make suggestions, regardless of how 'out there' that others may find them.  And it's fine to refute and discuss them.  Nonetheless, I fail to see how my suggestion was 'stupid' for aiming in a golf game, but I accept that some will feel that way.  I guess I'd prefer to hear some actual arguments against the suggestion, rather than referencing non-relevant subjects.

 

For the record, I also understand not being able to play the game at the preferred/custom difficulty levels; I played off/off (Custom) and that is no longer.  I also liked the tempo while putting at RTSH - it's also been removed.  The game seems a tad easier than I'd prefer at the moment, but it's still a great game and one that I continue to make suggestions and post my observations about it, even if it no longer has the difficulty and features I thought were great.



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Posted 10 December 2016 - 10:29 PM

SirGrassCutter, on 10 Dec 2016 - 10:02 PM, said:

i believe in telling the truth.

 

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Posted 10 December 2016 - 10:39 PM

Did i miss the post where people asked for randomness putting?, it's a bit like when HBS added a handicap system and a careery mode, didn't read any post asking for that, but i guess i must remember this is not my game it's PPs so they can do what they want. FYI i think "realistic" greens are so far away from being realistic PP could get in trouble for false advertising lol. 



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Posted 10 December 2016 - 10:46 PM

in2minds, on 10 Dec 2016 - 10:39 PM, said:

Did i miss the post where people asked for randomness putting?, it's a bit like when HBS added a handicap system and a careery mode, didn't read any post asking for that, but i guess i must remember this is not my game it's PPs so they can do what they want. FYI i think "realistic" greens are so far away from being realistic PP could get in trouble for false advertising lol. 

You are of course entitled to your opinion but I fear, it seems, that you are in a very small minority.



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Posted 10 December 2016 - 10:48 PM

in2minds, on 10 Dec 2016 - 10:39 PM, said:

Did i miss the post where people asked for randomness putting?, it's a bit like when HBS added a handicap system and a careery mode, didn't read any post asking for that, but i guess i must remember this is not my game it's PPs so they can do what they want. FYI i think "realistic" greens are so far away from being realistic PP could get in trouble for false advertising lol.


I have to say I 110% disagree…
For the first time ever I feel like I'm watching a golf ball rolling on real grass.

The unrealistic thing was the perfectly flat greens of old (and stil in the "perfect" setting)

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Posted 10 December 2016 - 11:50 PM

in2minds, on 10 Dec 2016 - 10:39 PM, said:

Did i miss the post where people asked for randomness putting?, it's a bit like when HBS added a handicap system and a careery mode, didn't read any post asking for that, but i guess i must remember this is not my game it's PPs so they can do what they want. FYI i think "realistic" greens are so far away from being realistic PP could get in trouble for false advertising lol. 

 

FFS. We get it. You don't like the Realistic green setting.

 

Please tell me who is making you play using that setting? It is clear you have no time for it. So why not just stick with Perfect greens and then your problem is solved?

 

No you didn't miss a post about requests for randomness putting (or as you like to call it random randomness). It was something the Devs introduced during private beta testing to see how it played. The private beta testers appreciated what the devs were  trying to do by introducing it and get away from putting on marble flooring, like has been the case in the majority of golf games of days gone by.

 

A lot of the private beta group felt it added some realism (yes we know, you feel it is random randomness) and saw putts behaving as they often can do on real greens, due to small imperfections and indentations from footprints, repaired pitch marks, spike marks and even nap of the grass and not surfaces that are 100% smooth. So it became an option as the devs were aware not everyone would like it.

 

For the most part, it seems quite a few people really like the new setting. Some feel it is a tad overdone and needs a slight tweak and there those like you who totally have no time for it. It will be up to the Devs if any further tweaks/changes are made to it.


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