Been an interesting few days reading this thread.. glad it was found, thanks.
I did want to summarise it in this post, and that may make this post incredibly long, but it helps me re-read and recap on the points made. So I'll try and suggest either reading the headed notes or skipping my post.
ANDREWS SYSTEM - 4 click
The image of the swing meter, works well. Several here have expressed concerns of the sizing, so IF the image shown is the size to be used, I'd assume many won't have too many issues with it. The ability or requirement to only see it, when ready to take the shot would be a suggestion. Thus we'd all have great full screen visuals, dependant upon our own viewing needs.
No dots on the power bar.. good! Keep those away or make them options to have on/off. Unsure why the suggestion of charts is a cheat, when in todays golf you can gain accuracies of what distance you need by club design and GPS systems. What I'd personally like to see, if dots on the meter are used, is the avoidance of 50% power = 50% club distance. There is no need to replicate this fully.. if the meter goes halfway, then maybe introduce a better ratio ensuring the distance to hit any shot is harder to achieve the longer the swing. This may make us all think about what club we take from the bag..
ADDITIONAL OPTIONS
Customising for those using click, would therefore be an option. Holding down clicks needs to be recognised, allowing a 4 click system to become 2 or 3 clicks, using the release method.
SUGGESTIONS
EDITABLE METER
This I personally feel is a huge positive if they allow the ability to setup a shot this way..
Why can't we move the 6 o clock and 9 o clock snap positions..?
If I want to ensure I fade a shot and hit it slightly thin, then why can't I move the ACTUAL SNAP instead of hitting it late and late. Why can't I have something to actually aim for.. moving the snap position like so ;
This then allows me to tailor my shot exactly to what I think I need to do (and almost totally rules out the ability to use charts too). The eye co-ordination works better when trying to achieve something it can see, maybe not exactly simulation proof but it's a good option surely? You're adjusting something no other golfer may actually see online either. They may see your meter.. but only if you hit the snap or not. Who knows if the snap is where they have positioned it..?
Another Addition: The 4th click requirement for hitting fat/thin - does it have to be at the 9 o clock position? One of the principles of a swing is that it goes up and comes down, or back, then forwards. So, maybe the direction continuing for the final click or release, could also be reversed back to a 3 o clock area. Maybe an option or further thought anyway.
The fat / thin debate has really to start I think. We're basically talking about bunker vs fairway.. and that's me being very basic lol. The casual golfer won't want a fat shot, unless you're on the tee or in a bunker.. . However, I'm concerned how you guys do the physics for this and the impact it may have on the spin / aim. Maybe I've missed the chat elsewhere, but ball lie hasn't quite surfaced and naturally a fat shot from the tee vs a fat shot from the fairway is going to be different in design. However, it isn't a concern as yet regarding ball physics, just the ability to utilise it. I've outlined the two areas a fat shot will most likely be needed, so a suggestion here is to make the 4th click editable...
- Making it editable, would allow me to design how fat or thin I want to aim to hit it. What is editable though.. allowing me to adjust the position of the 4th click requirement basically. If I'm deliberately aiming to hit fat.. I perhaps would like more control over the chance of hitting too fat or not fat enough. So by allowing us to move the 4th click position between perhaps 2 o clock or 4 o clock, will gain more control over what we're attempting.
Andrew also stated it would be unlikely to see varying speeds of the meter due to opening up other issues. Personally, I think they would be better addressing those issues now rather than introducing them later. Once club type is designed, then allowing varying speeds of meter would aid in gaining individual rythyms for each golfer. I'm more an accuracy player than a long hitter. But I don't wish to take that away from those who want power shots. If that means I need a faster meter speed for shorter stiffer clubs, then that's by my design. It's simply a suggestion that hopefully allows further discussion in the other thread regarding club distance etc.
OTHER SWING SYSTEMS
Like someone suggested, I'd like to see another system used that doesn't use the image Andrew kindly posted. I'd prefer the swing visual opposite my golfer and seeing him take his backswing and gauge my power on his visual. A full swing may mean the club fully above his head, straight. An overswing would be easy to see and thus when the downswing begins, the point of impact needs to be clicked / released accordingly. A 4th click / release shouldn't be too hard to incorporate if this option was available. This would also remove the discussion over the size of the meter to be displayed.
Having this swing system visual means you can also use the same visual for any swing method, TS or whatever the guys here wish to make their own.
Personally, I'd rather see this come with the game, and an introduction of the old style swingometer in a future version, than the other way round. It's likely something that many may try now and if so, dumb down (for want of better wording) on a later version. Maybe add every option suggested... if you can program time to stand still too
OTHER THREAD COMMENTS
Someone mentioned Links 2003 having an inbuilt cheat deterent for PS. Yes it is true it was there, but it was only for PS, not click. I think it was Bruce Darby telling me about that.. maybe he's still about to confirm that. However Andrew did ask not to discuss this any further. I think sometimes they should be discussed to aid suggestive ideas, but maybe Andrew is right in this thread, the concept is currently a click meter.
Ok, sure I had more to say but this has to be enough for a Sunday lol..