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#121 Riddler

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Posted 06 February 2018 - 12:57 PM

I started this thread and here is the main reason why.  I know the game is not complete.  I know they are working on PG2.  I know this is a great game, as is, but the Devs are not satisfied and want to make it better.  I really want this to be the best selling golf game ever.  Am I being naive?  Many will say yes but what other golf game has ever been as good as this one.  I support this game 100% and will do all I can to help it become financially successful.  I am not bitching, complaining or being anything other than supportive.  I just ask for an update once in awhile.


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Posted 06 February 2018 - 01:32 PM

Riddler, on 06 Feb 2018 - 12:57 PM, said:

I started this thread and here is the main reason why.  I know the game is not complete.  I know they are working on PG2.  I know this is a great game, as is, but the Devs are not satisfied and want to make it better.  I really want this to be the best selling golf game ever.  Am I being naive?  Many will say yes but what other golf game has ever been as good as this one.  I support this game 100% and will do all I can to help it become financially successful.  I am not bitching, complaining or being anything other than supportive.  I just ask for an update once in awhile.


I feel the same Riddler. I love the game as it is, despite several annoying bugs which seem to be plaguing the game recently. I've even started using Course Forge again.
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Posted 06 February 2018 - 02:08 PM

I'm not going to take sides, but to say I've got 1400 hours in JNPG and about $60 in it between the game and about 5 DLC courses. That's a bargain in my view.
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Posted 06 February 2018 - 02:09 PM

I'm not going to take sides, but to say I've got 1400 hours in JNPG and about $60 in it between the game and about 7 DLC courses. That's a bargain in my view.
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Posted 06 February 2018 - 02:09 PM

Sorry for the double post.

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Posted 06 February 2018 - 02:28 PM

i to have many hours in and have no real complaints about the way the game plays

top notch as far as im concerned and damn i feel like i have been steeling the thing for the past 2 yrs.

have bought all course's as a way to support the game, hey with that said sure would be nice to see some Official

Tourneys set on these to feel like im using what i paid for.

just need a little news every now and again.


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Posted 06 February 2018 - 03:15 PM

well put gentlemen ! :)



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Posted 07 February 2018 - 07:10 AM

rane, on 06 Feb 2018 - 10:41 AM, said:

There will always be this loyal crowd to a game/company who will defend a product or company no matter what sorts of criticism (even the constructive kind) appears - just look at Apple. Of course this is also the case here and its fair enough. However, this doesnt mean that other people are ungrateful, impatient and stupid because they have an opinion about communication and news announcements. This sort of argument is invalid and ridiculous in my opinion. As said by others, this is a forum on the developers website - even a developer who released an early access version of a game while receiving tons of help from the community and they communicated very well here on the forum in the past. Now the game (PG) seems to be done, its out and can be bought. But they announced that PG2 is being worked on - people would expect at least some communication/status about this. Of course not as regular and involved as the early access PG1, but more than whats been given and i think thats very fair to expect.

 

I havent been active and around the forums much in a long time. Mostly visited here just to take a quick look at the first 10-12 forum headlines to find out if theres important news about the game or PG2 - and i understand those who long for news. But i also can't understand why the devs cant seem to find 2 minutes of their time once a month to do a simple 2-3 line status update. Coming from a 20 year long customer service business career, this is the opposite of ideal if you want to keep your current and future customers happy. It simply hurts the brand.

 

Also, i'm not aware of the popularity of golf simulators around the world - it must be huge and cheap to buy in the US + be quite a good source of income, since theres so much focus on this?  I know that here in Scandinavia where i'm from...sims are fairly rare and usually only found in very few golf clubs in the country - also being expensive to try/use.  So i'm guessing theres a huge target group of PC golfers wishing there'd be some progress (news-wise too) on the PC golfing game too, including myself. "We" cant quite understand the excessive simulator focus, altho we know that its important to the revenue of the company.

 

I cant help but think there might be some pride (and perhaps a little arrogance?) involved here, when the devs obviously read all these posts but still wont give a tiny update or status from time to time. I hope im wrong tho. :)

 

I'm the first person to take down someone who does wrong by me - I just can't see how two passionate Links guys who simply wanted to create a game to take off from where Links stopped and share it with the world can do any wrong. Even if PG shut down and I found myself with $20k worth of sim gear and no game to play, I'm saying "Thanks for the good times". They don't owe me anything, not even an update. Anything they give is a bonus that I wouldn't have had did they not start this trip. If alternative sim software comes out that gives me an overall better experience, I'll be using it - it's up PP to keep the software the best choice so sim players do renew.

It doesn't take 2 minutes to give an update either. It has to be worded correctly so as not to cause an avalanche of questions or accusations that progress is slow. Would people be happy with weekly updates that always said, "Working on confidential things, nothing we can report publicly"? No, people want updates of new value they get from their initial outlay.  If you were doing 80 hour weeks in the customer service business and getting paid for 40 or less, you'll understand some customers have to take lower priority.

Sim owners might pay $250/yr - but there are probably only 150 active subs - a measly $40k and that's before SkyTrak and Steam take their substantial cuts. - that'd hardly pay the cleaner. I think a fix for offset and the intro of a trial pass is the only thing we've seen recently, so it's not like us sim guys are being preferred--we'd love to see one or two quirks with the sim game fixed.

However the affiliation with Trackman can represent real money and very positive things for the product - already it's mean employing an extra person - so I would totally get it if they were focusing on that integration.



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Posted 07 February 2018 - 07:41 AM

shimonko, on 07 Feb 2018 - 07:10 AM, said:

It doesn't take 2 minutes to give an update either. It has to be worded correctly so as not to cause an avalanche of questions or accusations that progress is slow.

 

They could give an update and then ignore the questions/accusations.  Not too different from how things are.



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Posted 07 February 2018 - 08:46 AM

shimonko, on 07 Feb 2018 - 07:10 AM, said:

I'm the first person to take down someone who does wrong by me - I just can't see how two passionate Links guys who simply wanted to create a game to take off from where Links stopped and share it with the world can do any wrong. Even if PG shut down and I found myself with $20k worth of sim gear and no game to play, I'm saying "Thanks for the good times". They don't owe me anything, not even an update. Anything they give is a bonus that I wouldn't have had did they not start this trip. If alternative sim software comes out that gives me an overall better experience, I'll be using it - it's up PP to keep the software the best choice so sim players do renew.

Fact of the matter is, that they have announced an upcoming PG2 - so naturally this fact will make people expect some fairly frequent updates on the game. Its like Apple announcing the iPhone 9 and then they go silent for a year (ok, an over-statement, i admit :)) - people will start requesting updates/news.

I get the whole "they're passionate, they have made a great game, we should be glad they did that" thing, i really do. But its just irrelevant in this case IMO. People asking for updates here are also passionate about the game - thats why they're asking. And its still a developers forum. People ask about news on forums like this in general. If PP hadnt announced that a PG2 is being worked on - one could easily start thinking.."oh they must be done with perfect golf - i can relate to this..this was a good time here...no more news will come...off to find other golf games".

 

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It doesn't take 2 minutes to give an update either. It has to be worded correctly so as not to cause an avalanche of questions or accusations that progress is slow. Would people be happy with weekly updates that always said, "Working on confidential things, nothing we can report publicly"? No, people want updates of new value they get from their initial outlay.

I think it ought to be possible to word a "correct" 1- or 2 line announcement within a couple of minutes without being accused of anything. It could easily be a "we're working on PG2, but development has slowed down a bit unfortunately - thanks for your patience" forum post which shouldnt result in any important questions needing answers. Or simply a "this month has naturally been dedicated to pga tour work, our main source of income". People would understand that.

 

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If you were doing 80 hour weeks in the customer service business and getting paid for 40 or less, you'll understand some customers have to take lower priority.

Well thats where the customer service business differs from many other businesses - well it does when its a digital online business like in this case anyway. Its considered good service to let customers know the progess/status regularly - no matter how much we work and get paid for. Otherwise they "complain" and we receive a bad rep outthere. You'll be amazed at how important this can be for the business - and how much impact it can have on revenue, customer satisfaction, reputation and so on.

 

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Sim owners might pay $250/yr - but there are probably only 150 active subs - a measly $40k and that's before SkyTrak and Steam take their substantial cuts. - that'd hardly pay the cleaner. I think a fix for offset and the intro of a trial pass is the only thing we've seen recently, so it's not like us sim guys are being preferred--we'd love to see one or two quirks with the sim game fixed.

However the affiliation with Trackman can represent real money and very positive things for the product - already it's mean employing an extra person - so I would totally get it if they were focusing on that integration.

Well, as mentioned i have no real experience or knowledge regarding sims. They're not very common at all in my country - and where i've seen them, they're quite expensive (IMO) to use. But of course, i acknowledge that its an exciting way of playing golf - it might very well be where the money is at in the US, but then it would be nice to know if/when PPs focus is on the sims and if/when theres being work done for PG2.

Again...communication. Doesnt have to be much information at all. They'll just lose people (potential customers later on) here without a few quick updates once in a while.


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Posted 07 February 2018 - 09:05 AM

Well, using the word "Perfect" in your game title does create some sort of expectation, be it the gameplay, a polished product, career mode, customer service, etc.

 

Having a "mixed" review rating on Steam doesn't help either and some supporters might get fed-up and change their rating? 


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Posted 07 February 2018 - 11:53 AM

This forum would die if we all stopped posting as the devs appear to have done. In fact, this thread is virtually the only one worth logging on for at the moment.
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Posted 07 February 2018 - 12:01 PM

IanK, on 07 Feb 2018 - 11:53 AM, said:

This forum would die if we all stopped posting as the devs appear to have done. In fact, this thread is virtually the only one worth logging on for at the moment.

So true Ian!   It is mainly the reason I log on in each morning, knowing there isn't much activity or posts with much merit these days.  


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Posted 07 February 2018 - 12:35 PM

To much drama I am going and play Pebble Beach Round 2 as it is my way of escaping drama.  If they never say another word or spin off JNPG2 I still got my money's worth.



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Posted 07 February 2018 - 01:08 PM

mebby, on 03 Feb 2018 - 7:02 PM, said:

I hope you're right but how is anyone supposed to have ANY hope when we hear absolutely nothing from the Devs? All summer long all we heard was that they are busy with the PGA Tour season. OK - most could understand that. It's the middle of f'n winter now so what's the excuse that we are supposed to believe? If they aren't working on PG2 right now then when will they?

This is impatience or ungratefulness or any of that so please don't throw that garbage back on anyone. This is just a fan of the game seeking information. ANY information. All we have to go on are facts and the facts certainly do not point to favorable conclusions.

You do realize the PGA tour is playing every week now, right? Actually it's 25% done for the season already so to say theyre not working on PGA stuff is just plain ignorant.

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Posted 07 February 2018 - 01:18 PM

Funny how people think buying a game for $30 entitles them to a slew of updates from the developers. I'd say you're lucky they've even listened to any requests at all. From what I've seen they have added a bunch of features people asked for and were still trying to further develop a game that was already a few years old.

They could be like EA Sports and release a POS game, charge you $60 And never fix a damn thing. Then make you buy the same POS the next year when that particular sport season starts up again.

If PG2 sees the light of day now that trackman bought them out, I'm sure it will be a good step forward from PG1, probably because they've addressed many of the things the people here have requested.

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Posted 07 February 2018 - 01:31 PM

We're not ENTITLED to developer updates because we bought a 30 dollar Early Access game. Thats NOT how "we people" think (plus its not logical). But we kinda expect updates, when they announce a new game and then goes quiet for a long time - especially since we've been used to this with PG1. This happens in every other case, whether its other games, movies, music albums etc..

 

Besides, without the communitys help, i doubt the game (PG1) would have been as great as it still is now.


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Posted 07 February 2018 - 01:49 PM

I agree, the community is what drives this game. The guys who build the courses, the guys who test them, and the people who run the tournaments are what makes this game great.

I'm into this game for $530 now with 2 seasons of the SIM pass and the game on steam so I would love an update as much as the next guy. It's good they have loyal fans that even care about updates on the new version. That shows they did something right with PG1.

With Trackman acquiring PP, it may mean none of us get PG2 if Trackman decides they want Pg2 to be exclusive to their launch monitor user base. Then we are all screwed. I think the fate of the game and SIM is in trackman hands at this point.
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Posted 07 February 2018 - 02:30 PM

Jwheels9876, on 07 Feb 2018 - 1:18 PM, said:

Funny how people think buying a game for $30 entitles them to a slew of updates from the developers. I'd say you're lucky they've even listened to any requests at all. From what I've seen they have added a bunch of features people asked for and were still trying to further develop a game that was already a few years old.
They could be like EA Sports and release a POS game, charge you $60 And never fix a damn thing. Then make you buy the same POS the next year when that particular sport season starts up again.
If PG2 sees the light of day now that trackman bought them out, I'm sure it will be a good step forward from PG1, probably because they've addressed many of the things the people here have requested.


Nobody ever said that. Communication is all I'm after.
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Posted 07 February 2018 - 02:32 PM

Greensboronclion, on 07 Feb 2018 - 12:35 PM, said:

To much drama I am going and play Pebble Beach Round 2 as it is my way of escaping drama.  If they never say another word or spin off JNPG2 I still got my money's worth.


That's beyond doubt. I must say to the people who haven't tried designing their own course, 'have a go'! It's very rewarding designing and playing your own creations.
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