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[Buck]

Easy to understand, Mike is located in the UK where 'royalty' abounds.

 

lol - Touché!

[Mike Jones]

Turning the new option 'scattering' on makes the sky a richer more contrasting colour. I prefer setting it to off as it's more realistic but at least people can choose. Currently the beta function is broken in this regard and cant be turned off but its one of those things currently being fixed.

[axe360]

Hey Buck, you see what I mean, these Devs really do listen, just like that, you got your option...

[Buck]

@Axe:  Not only do they listen, but did you notice that MJ agreed with me that the "realistic look" isn't the one that's over pumping the skies at the moment (the scattering).  ;-) 

[axe360]

That's just his opinion... haha

[KenR]

To those who are currently testing the new build: I'm still concerned about short putts with the new meter. The fastest I can click 3 times in a row always give me what I think is going to be about 7 feet in distance minimum. In actual use maybe it doesn't go that far but I was wondering what you've found?

Touchy short putts on slopes and fast greens might be a nightmare if what I'm thinking minimum distance is going to be turns out to be true.

Can you report on what you're actually seeing with short putts?

[Dazmaniac]

To those who are currently testing the new build: I'm still concerned about short putts with the new meter. The fastest I can click 3 times in a row always give me what I think is going to be about 7 feet in distance minimum. In actual use maybe it doesn't go that far but I was wondering what you've found?

Touchy short putts on slopes and fast greens might be a nightmare if what I'm thinking minimum distance is going to be turns out to be true.

Can you report on what you're actually seeing with short putts?

 

I find that they are in real life, lol.

 

I've always played PC golf using click, so maybe I don't find it such an issue as others. I'm not saying I'm holing every short putt I have, but I'm not finding it to be a 3 click and hope scenario either. The meter is more than adequate for short putts IMO, but some others may disagree.

 

For the 3-4 footers, yes you have to click reasonably quickly, but it certainly isn't a machine gun 3 click that you need. I'm sure folks will grow accustomed to the new putting method, but I appreciate there will still be those that have an issue with it.

 

[Richard]

I find that they are in real life, lol.

 

I've always played PC golf using click, so maybe I don't find it such an issue as others. I'm not saying I'm holing every short putt I have, but I'm not finding it to be a 3 click and hope scenario either. The meter is more than adequate for short putts IMO, but some others may disagree.

 

For the 3-4 footers, yes you have to click reasonably quickly, but it certainly isn't a machine gun 3 click that you need. I'm sure folks will grow accustomed to the new putting method, but I appreciate there will still be those that have an issue with it.

 

 

I agree, it does take getting use to. I've been testing with max/max aids and auto gimmies of 2 ft. On putts of 2 - 4 ft., I'm finding that you can go past 7:00 very often or your find the putt will go over the hole due to speed. On long putts of 30+ ft. the meter handles them very well, but you initial reaction is to under hit them because of being use to the old 'flag' meter. I like the overall feel however, because you are in control, the swing meter is not. It will take some practice to get re-acclimated. I'll be very interested in the community's reaction when the update is released. I hope that happens within a week or less.

[axe360]

I agree, it does take getting use to. I've been testing with max/max aids and auto gimmies of 2 ft. On putts of 2 - 4 ft., I'm finding that you can go past 7:00 very often or your find the putt will go over the hole due to speed. On long putts of 30+ ft. the meter handles them very well, but you initial reaction is to under hit them because of being use to the old 'flag' meter. I like the overall feel however, because you are in control, the swing meter is not. It will take some practice to get re-acclimated. I'll be very interested in the community's reaction when the update is released. I hope that happens within a week or less.

 

 

Huh, and I thought you switched to Mod/Mod after the brutal whuppen I put forth on you...

[KenR]

Well, you guys are trying to be helpful with your description of how short putts are working with the new meter but I can see that we're just going to have to wait until the update comes out and see for ourselves.

Thanks...

[PurpleTurf]

Yeah its like short chips on aidless.  Sure you can get the quick click down, but hitting the snap point on the 3rd click can be tough on quick clicking.  Even a slight miss aidless can take you 10 feet right or left.  So worry that putting will be effected on No Aids more than the adjustments that were made to the sensativity.

This is kind of funny being the reason to revamp the meter for putting in the first place was pretty much due to the speed being incorrect on short putts with current build, and that running over the hole happened alot even if speed looked good.

So maybe instead of 2-3 putting meters you can allow High and Low settings on the ball changing the max putt at 12 oclock.  High at 20feet, mid at 60 feet, low at 90 feet or something.  WIth overswing hitting beyond these numbers.

Again, all of this is speculation based on logic from seeing the putt meter in screenshots and with reported max distances, ect...

[Richard]

Yeah its like short chips on aidless.  Sure you can get the quick click down, but hitting the snap point on the 3rd click can be tough on quick clicking.  Even a slight miss aidless can take you 10 feet right or left.  So worry that putting will be effected on No Aids more than the adjustments that were made to the sensativity.

This is kind of funny being the reason to revamp the meter for putting in the first place was pretty much due to the speed being incorrect on short putts with current build, and that running over the hole happened alot even if speed looked good.

So maybe instead of 2-3 putting meters you can allow High and Low settings on the ball changing the max putt at 12 oclock.  High at 20feet, mid at 60 feet, low at 90 feet or something.  WIth overswing hitting beyond these numbers.

Again, all of this is speculation based on logic from seeing the putt meter in screenshots and with reported max distances, ect...

 

Based on what either Andrew or Mike said, not sure which, the penalty on the snap for short putts has been reduced. Based on my test experience, I believe that is a fact. However, as I stated previously, putting will present a new challenge.

[Sinewiz]

To those who are currently testing the new build: I'm still concerned about short putts with the new meter. The fastest I can click 3 times in a row always give me what I think is going to be about 7 feet in distance minimum. In actual use maybe it doesn't go that far but I was wondering what you've found?

Touchy short putts on slopes and fast greens might be a nightmare if what I'm thinking minimum distance is going to be turns out to be true.

Can you report on what you're actually seeing with short putts?

Ken, my first concern was that it would require such a quick machine gun click that short putts would be almost impossible. Some of my fears were removed when I saw that cup physics had been changed/improved with the new build. I'm seeing almost none of the 360 spin outs and cellophane bridges on putts being hit too hard. Lets just say that putts seem to get "sucked" a tad more than what we have gotten used to. It seems like it's now possible to hit short putts considerably firmer allowing you to power through the break. That said, don't miss it or you could be looking at 20 feet coming back.

 

There will be a period of time where I'm sure many will get frustrated as it's inevitable that most will see there putts per round go up but in the long haul it's going to make play around the green far more interesting and far less predictable. It will certainly challenge your nerves far more than before.

[theclubpro]

since pp had to replant  all the trees in the game for the update, did  pp add any tress to hole 9 at sawgrass( Florida Glades)  up around the green? as you can see in the video, there are some missing,looked like he had to go over the trees were in game there is no nowhere near.i noticed this a few weeks ago when i was watching and decided to play a rd.no big deal but just curious. 

 

[Rehit]

my thoughts on the putting stroke is to have the meter speed tied to the distance from the hole.
instead of having more then one meter, the speed would progressively reduce as the distance to the hole becomes less.
this would do away with the feeling of panic trying to hit the bottom snap on a 5 foot putt.
the stress level is supposed to go down as your putts become closer to the hole.
 

[Jimmy]

my thoughts on the putting stroke is to have the meter speed tied to the distance from the hole.
instead of having more then one meter, the speed would progressively reduce as the distance to the hole becomes less.
this would do away with the feeling of panic trying to hit the bottom snap on a 5 foot putt.
the stress level is supposed to go down as your putts become closer to the hole.

Excellent idea Rehit, i totally agree with you on that. At present it seems like the short putts would be almost as tricky as the long ones. I was thinking a 25 metre put swing metre but this would work also. Good idea mate;-)

[Andrew]

That depends on what is on the line if you make it.  Taking all the stress out of a 3 foot putt, well if you want to play that way play auto 6ft gimmies.  We provide a wide range of gimmies in the game so people can play how they want to play.  If we made the swing meter so easy on the short putts that you never miss one unless you fall asleep in the middle of your swing,  then you might as well turn gimmies on.

 

I do agree that when you first try the new putting the initial instinct is to say bah its too difficult.  but like most things it becomes a lot easier with a little practice.  The swing meter is exponential not linear so the further around you go the more each degree adds to the putt.

[Andrew]

Excellent idea Rehit, i totally agree with you on that. At present it seems like the short putts would be almost as tricky as the long ones. I was thinking a 25 metre put swing metre but this would work also. Good idea mate;-)

I think I have missed one 3 footer in the last 20 I have had.  Yet I only made about 20% of the 20 foot putts I have had.  So I would definately say shorter putting is easier than longer ones

[Dazmaniac]

Take the stress out of trying to make a 3 footer, then we might as well have auto putt enabled for short putts.

Short putts are more stressful IRL than 30 footers IMO. They shouldn't be easy to hole.

Like AJ, I have holed plenty with the new swing meter once I got used to the speed of the clicking required and it isn't a machine gun 3 click either.

[Jimmy]

Good points AJ and Daz. I will have to try it for myself and give it a good chance first. I can see short putts only effecting the 3 clickers more tho. Do you think that is correct?.